[SOLD] Will Hughes

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  1. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I have already updated my post….
     
  2. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I don’t profess to claim I am ITK. But there are a number of people I DM privately on here about things that have happened before being reported elsewhere. I do get given some info about some matters. I have no problem if you don’t trust the info I’m giving you in Hughes. But it is accurate.
     
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  3. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    He probably just had enough of the way the club was run, he wanted some stability. He sees Masina and Troost Ekong in training every day and likely thought, f**k that! I don't blame him, it's a toxic club.
     
  4. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    Humility and pro sports people rarely dwell in the same place.
    However the elite are usually very humble,Rafa,Martina,Laver.
     
  5. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I'm not gonna call him a legend or anything, but yes, taking off our Watford hats for a second, it was a no-brainer to go to Palace, and now it looks like it's really working out for him, regardless of whether we stay up or go down
     
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  6. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I’ve received quality info from Burns before it has been reported anywhere fwiw.
     
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  7. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Those are all tennis players?!?!

    When it comes to footballers, the likes of CR7, Neymar, Haaland etc. would beg to differ.

    Though it's clearly far from always being the case, e.g. Messi, Lewandowski, Salah.
     
  8. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    So what?!
    I'm sure there are many humble footballers but none spring to mind.
    My point is that football allows mediocrity to be handsomely rewarded.
    It gives a feeble nod to performance related pay with relegation clauses but you can be very average and be as rich as Croesus in football, being a team game.
     
  9. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Yeah, I can attest to that also.
     
  10. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    How can you offer leadership to someone who only wants to be here in the short term?
     
  11. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    There’s a difference between short-term and 5yrs.

    3yrs? 2yrs with an extension of mutually agreed?

    Think it says more about the club that he wouldn’t sign here for 5yrs - yet that’s all we would offer.
     
  12. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    It’s nice to have somebody with info and wasn’t questioning if it was legit, just interested to know
     
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  13. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    There's little difference between wanting a leadership role and showing commitment.

    He wanted the club captaincy on a 2 year contract with an option? A 3 year contract with a release clause? That just sends out a message he's not committed.

    So he signs a 5 year deal, negotiates a release clause/2 year review and gets a leadership role.

    Sounds to me like he wanted the moon on a stick and prepared to give little back and wanted out.
     
  14. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    He didn’t demand the captaincy at all. He wanted assurances of a prominent role in the squad.

    And the Pozzo’s don’t do release clauses. Goes against their whole operational ‘model’.

    You disagree, that’s fine. I’m just relaying what I know because I was asked. I’m not saying I’d have given in to his demands - I’m just countering the argument that there was nothing we could do about him leaving.
     
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  15. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    A prominent role on a 2 year contract? Which means 18 months in he can talk to other clubs if he rejects an extension...is that leadership?

    I assume you've spoken to the Pozzos about contract minutia?
     
  16. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Why have you purposely left out the rest of my post?

    I’ve clearly stated it’s not my view as to what should have happened and I’m merely passing on what I know. How anyone wants to interpret the detail is up to them.

    If you want to argue with someone about it, go ahead. But I’m a poor person to choose because I haven’t sided with either side of the debate. I can see both sides.
     
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  17. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Deeney. Ronaldo.
     
  18. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    "very average"??

    Only about 180 out of 1.5million youth footballers in the UK make it to the Premier League.

    That's only 1 per 8,333, or 0.012%.

    That's far from "very average".
     
  19. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    I didn't make statements, I asked questions.

    If Hughes has made demands, then why not ask for a release clause? They can only say 'no' or they may surprise him and say 'yes for £15m after 3 years'.

    All I'm saying is to be in a leadership role then you can't just be a short term transient.
     
  20. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Strange take.
     
  21. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I don’t know those answers.

    What I will say about the last part is that your sentence is a bit too binary in my opinion. Ben Foster is seen as a leader within the squad…and his contracts are short-term. And plenty of other leaders of the past too.
     
  22. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    How?
     
  23. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Well next time you’re criticising a potential signing in the transfer section, I’ll remind you there are no ‘average players’ and in fact they’re all in fact miracles, that have defied all odds to even be linked with us in the first place.
     
  24. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    I'm not having a go, I'm just airing my own questions as I think this could have been resolved had they wanted to keep him. I think they viewed Louza as an adequate replacement and less injury prone.

    I'm not convinced if we had kept Hughes we wouldn't be in this mess...I think we still would be as a competent defensive unit would mean the midfield weren't constantly running back towards our own goal.
     
  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Being "very average" (or even not quite good enough) for the Premier League, and being a "very average" footballer in the grander scheme of things, are two completely different things - it's something which I've long been very well aware of and so don't need you to remind me.

    May I just point out that it was in fact I reminding someone else of that very point in the first place. :confused:
     
  26. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    The same percentage applies to the other two 'world' sports,golf and tennis and in these sports only the top 60 make money.
    In comparison to individual sports footballers are not elite just because they play in a top league. The wealth in football does not equate to the level of its participants.
    Trust me,if tennis players were as frail as many of our players they would not be inside the top 1500 in the world.
    Witness the complete lack of basics in all of our back line, Bachmann included.
    Some would include the lack of mental fortitude that our club displays,I leave that to individuals to judge.
     
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  27. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Source?

    Considering how few players make it, they clearly are elite sportsmen, regardless of any other comparisons you wish to make.
     
  28. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    The ITF,FFT,FIT,USTA,LTA...any reputable federation or any coach/player with any semblance of awareness of standards.
    We shall have to disagree on the second matter but I shall paraphrase Orwell in that " some players are more elite than others"!
     
  29. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Why are we still talking about him? Get over it.
     
  30. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    Kante.
    Sublime player and self deprecating.
     
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  31. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Jon G?
     
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  32. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Because it makes me sad. I still think about ex girlfriends in the shower on occasion.
     
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  33. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Son, too.
     
  34. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Son, too.
     
  35. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Yeah on occasion.
     
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