Wfc Finances

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by We hate 48, Sep 1, 2020.

  1. BeersThen

    BeersThen Reservist

  2. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

  3. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

  4. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! First Team

  5. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    He's raking each and every pot.
     
  6. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    With the agreement of the des pot ?
     
  7. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Off buying lawnmower engines with Micky Pearce
     
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  8. oxhey67

    oxhey67 Squad Player

    Anyone know what this is all about?

    I've not the time to research anything right now so it would be nice if one or more of you could post something for a financial simpleton like myself, explaining in base language who INX Japan are and what they represent. Thanks in advance...

    text translated:
    #INX and Republic @joinrepublic are partnering to bring about another revolution through the tokenization of real-world assets #RWA. Our exciting new agreement with @WatfordFC marks an important step in our mission to tokenize and list all assets. #世界をトークン化する #theINXway

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  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Another money making scheme with a dodgy company?
     
  10. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I presume it's just another party involved in the recent investment thing the club advertised? Republic are the brokers for that in the US. Sounds like INX are one of the hangers on and popped over for a photo op.
     
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  11. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    They look like the kind of guys happy with an investment that gives them nothing.
     
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  12. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Based on this, they're one of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. What they represent is the end of days.
     
  13. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    They're there to collect their investor exclusive scarves and to tour the plant room.
     
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  14. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Followed by dinner with Tom
     
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  16. reids

    reids First Team

  17. LF24

    LF24 Academy Graduate

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  18. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

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  19. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    FIFY
     
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  20. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  21. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Please tell me this is the same podder who gave us the “Scott and Gino do business properly” tweet.
     
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  22. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    One and the same, I do believe.
     
  23. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Which is I'm also skeptical of the £500k loss a week claim. I don't doubt we're losing money each week but nowhere has I've seen, read or heard has it been estimated to be that. I'd have believed £100-£150k a week potentially nowadays.

    When we first went down I could believe it and that's where the parachute payments help relieve exactly that situation but we've restructured the entire squad; only Bachmann, Pollock, Sierralta, Ngakia, Louza, Dele-Bashiru and Sema remain from that time (Morris, Grieves, Forde and Baah were on the books but were youth / academy contracts so are not exactly breaking the bank here) and of the senior squad I could only imagine Bachmann, Louza and Sema earning First XI parity whilst Ngakia, Sierralta and Dele-Bashiru would only be squad wage which won't be what costs the club incredible amounts even when relegated.
     
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  24. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Too much throwing out new contracts to very average players like Ngakia ?
     
  25. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    I strongly doubt both Ngakia or Dele-Bashiru will be above £10k a week on their new deals. I don't know that but given the average wage of the Championship it would be surprising given neither are considered locked in XI quality.
     
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  26. Halfwayline

    Halfwayline Reservist

    A respected accountant who specialises in football accounts said on DNSYE that most championship clubs lose in the region of 500k per week so I believe that

    I don’t believe anything that the podder says though. He’s flipped and flopped from sneering at all the football fans that don’t hero worship our owners to now openly criticising them.., when in my view it’s all too late
     
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  27. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Yes that number is based off the squad two seasons ago. Several high earners jettisoned since - Sarr, JP and Cleverly himself as a player contract. Also Chowdury and Hause probably carried a heavy weekly premium?
     
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  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    And yet it’s not direct criticism from DNSYE. It’s just justifying the sale of Hoedt because that’s the way life is. And still delivered with odious dripping self regard by that repellent Jon character, despite the criticism of their paymaster having been proved right over an extensive time period.

    This morning I see he is ruminating why FTRE are only the ones with a rational head.

    It is beyond me why they have any audience at all.

    Ars****es.
     
  29. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Hodet hasn’t gone yet tbf.

    Be interesting to see if he plays today .

    (Not saying he will be or not as obviously don’t know ..)
     
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  30. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    True .

    Ngakia should be on pay as you play really if possible!

    Agree the wage bill certainly won’t be what is was and there might be a bit of scaremongering in that tweet ?
     
  31. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Just like the pre Pozzo days we will have a weak squad and a need to sell our most valuable player each season to cover operating losses while clinging to championship survival. Clubs with rich owners can just absorb those losses. Clubs like ours can’t. Hopefully the Pozzos won’t pocket the proceeds of player sales and TV money like Big Bad Bas did…..but you never know ….
     
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  32. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

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  33. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    That doesn't make any sense to me.

    That would mean we are losing over a quarter of a million per year. What exactly does this 500k cover on a weekly basis?
     
  34. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    And often they know not much more than anyone else...
     
  35. Loyalhornet

    Loyalhornet Reservist

    I believe this 500k per week loss that is banded about is based on that guy Kieran Maguire who did some , on the most recent filed accounts , which show a loss of £26m for the year , before player trading and interest . The problem with that figure is

    1) it is somewhat outdated as is based on the wage bill from the 2022/23 season , which we know has significantly reduced . Although take into in account so have the revenue streams.

    2) I remember looking at this at the time and amortisation of player registrations was something like £20m . Amortisation is not a cash flow. To a large extent the cash impact of this will already have been sustained and the club would never actualy need cash of 500k a day to cover its real costs.

    In addition to that as the amount the club spends on players reduces and the big hitters are sold , annual amortisation will significantly reduce.

    So the club is certainly likely to be making a loss before player trading , plus there will be debt ( which I don’t believe has been fully paid off as per Duxbury ) , but the 500k a day that is being quoted is very misleading. I know Maguire is held up as some sort of guru but he can be quite misleading in his claims .
     

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