Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by We hate 48, Sep 1, 2020.
God you suck the life out of things don't you
ok that’s the good news, what are the downsides? Should we give up now and slit our wrists?
Start watching the local non league teams..?
It's common, all of the big football lenders insist on having the stadium as collateral as that's often the biggest fixed asset a football club has. That's how MSD now own Derbys stadium + training ground for instance.
Would love to know how many millions we’ve spent over the years paying off managers.
I'd think the exposure is limited quite a bit by the clauses agreed up front. There's a reason why so many of our head coaches (not managers!) are relatively unknown and/or new to managing in England. They will be so keen to get the chance to showcase their talents sufficiently to get another (hopefully better) job after they leave Watford that they'll be willing to agree to severance conditions that will not impact the club as much as could be the case.
I can absolutely assure you that the general feeling is not that we are close to bankruptcy. Certainly not at the club or for the the majority of educated fans anyway.
As for the rest? You lack the touch of @NathWFC. He can be negative but you never, ever think that he doesn't mean what he posts. But I sense you just post a lot of your negative thoughts for effect, rather than actually believing them.
It's going to be interesting in January to see if some money is available. It would be strange to think Ranieri would of agreed a deal without having some funds available for incoming players. Yes I know he's not the one actively going for players but surely a manager/coach of his standards will be making his options known over the coming months.
If he lasts that long .
A tough run of games so Ranieri ought to get some leeway but will that happen ?
Reality is we probably won’t see what he can do till mid December but guess the key is improved performances.
I am sure our owners have a very modest points target in mind for the next eight games. After that it will be different.....
Worth remembering that this is the same forum Eeyore who confidently predicted we'd get relegated from the Championship last year.
I've actually not seen him post anything worthwhile! Surely there are better things to do than post utter tosh or stuff where you're attempting to wind people up. Very odd
When it was impossible for us to go down quite early into the new year too !
Not sure how accurate this is but we are 12th in the Premier league debt table .
I would say that's fairly accurate, certainly in Watford's case anyway. However, I think the Pozzo's are working towards significantly reducing the debt this season. Next season, if we go down, selling Sarr will go further towards debt reduction. We'd probably get it down to virtually zero if we did this. Selling Sarr in January to Newcastle will probably get us around £70m as I believe Sarr would be the type of player on their radar and Watford would insist on the additional premium which Newcastle will have to pay on all transfers.
If Watford sell Sarr for £70m and stay up, then it would be like a lottery win for the club. Debt would (or certainly should be) wiped off and we'd be in a good position to actually invest properly in the squad once more.
I just don't see any upside to us selling him in January and that would be a big departure from past Pozzo strategy too. Sarr's value isn't going to drop much between now and the summer and I personally think that's when we'll sell him.
We won't get £70 million for Sarr yet - needs to be more consistent to get to that value.
I don't think Newcastle will spend big in January either....well relatively.
I think the January window could really be shaken up by Newcastle. They will be spending big and I think Watford need to board that gravy train while they are new to it all and are a bit naive. I honestly think Watford could get £70m out of them, but won't get anything like that from Liverpool.
Of course it's not ideal timing for the club to lose their best player, but let's be honest, are we really likely to stay up this season? It's an outside bet at best even with Sarr. If we go down we'd have to sell 100% and we won't be getting anything like £70m in the Championship, with Sarr only having 2 years of contract remaining. We'd be in a poor bargaing position. This coming window is probably Watford's last chance to sell Sarr for big money and if Newcastle come sniffing I think Gino would be pragmatic and sell him.
There is an alternative scenario of course and that is we stay up. Then we'd still be in a strong position to sell him as a Premier League club, but that's the gamble the owners would be making but completely dependent on how we're shaping up come January plus any forthcoming high bids for Sarr of course.
I don’t see the point in them spending big in January, main priority is getting the right manager in and staying up, then they can start afresh in the summer with a joined up approach to transfers, both in and out. January is a bad time to buy players and theyll also need to try and get rid of some as well.
Is it possible we could “sell” Sarr in January with a loan-back arrangement for the remainder of the season, in the same way Palace did when they sold Zaha to Man U?
Newcastle may well want to do business in January - but that’s historically a window where out-of-favour players move. I suspect they will be structuring themselves right now with a short-term plan for this season and then a longer-term plan which will kick off next summer. I think they will be looking at the likes of Lingard and Van De Beek in personally.
I doubt they will be looking at Sarr anyway given they have Saint-Maximin playing there already.
It shouldnt be normal, the PL and EFL should ban it. If you can't run a football club without mortgaging the stadium you shouldnt be running it.