Werewolf XVI: Day 3

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  1. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Day 1 - message 1 - Says Darave is good - this must be from the wolf as we know Darave shows up as evil
    Message 2 - from the seer, correctly stating cude is evil

    Day 2.

    Message 1 - states Miked is GOOD
    Message 2 - states TVOR is good and that we should go for Darave

    I can't figure out which of these is which, but if Message 2 is the seer, then why did they suggest darave (who obviously hadn't been viewed by the seer until this morning)

    today's messages both tell us to vote for Darave.
     
  2. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    :forehead:

    This happens every game. Someone (usually TVOR) thinks they have cracked the Da Vinci code, then afterwards ends up justifying it by saying "well, they were acting really suspicious" despite the fact that they had concrete message evidence to take them in another direction.

    It's pretty much the only way evil can win. If we ignore the seer, then we're pretty much screwed.
     
  3. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    I am actually going out now! For real!

    Just a note to good players - Ignore posts from Harrow Orn, Moog and Miked. They are all on the same team.

    Anyone else is welcome to have a pop at me but those are the ones who will twist it all against team good. Think about it!
     
  4. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    I have just voted for Darave too. Anything else is illogical and voting on a hunch and potentially reading more into a dead player's comments than may exist.

    Let's nip this in the bud now. Vote Darave today and things are much clearer tomorrow. This good/evil question hangs over every player but blimey, we've spent an awful lot of time discussing just one player who must be evil or a tinker and we seem to have 60/40 (minimum) odds in our favour! Why would you save him?!
     
  5. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    Lol.
     
  6. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    Finally someone else apart from me and Moog with some logic.
     
  7. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Morning all. Just catching up. The facts as I see them are these:
    1. Day 1 - message from Wolf said darave was good
    2. Day 2 - everyone assumed (including myself at first) that message 1, saying miked was good, was from the Seer. because second message mentioned darave again. There was no proof, though, that this was the case. Plus, it does make sense that a Seer might point us in his direction knowing that the Wolf had mentioned him the previous day. Therefore, miked is still in the frame. Plus, Norway voted for him.
    3. Day 3 - darave has been called evil in both messages. He may be the tinker.
    My feeling at the moment is we lynch darave tonight. If he is indeed evil, happy days. If he is unlucky and is a tinker, then miked is in my sights for tomorrow.
     
  8. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I was so sure about everything 2 minutes ago now I'm severely doubting myself. I hate this game.
     
  9. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    To be fair, message 2 follows the same sort of logic that Norway uses. So maybe he was the seer or maybe he was the witness, but if anyone was going to use their seer message to persuade us to vote for someone it would be a player like Norway or TVOR
     
  10. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I'm fairly sure both miked and darave are evil, but it makes sense to take out Darave first.

    Remember in the tavern how desperate miked was to tell us he was 'definitely good', even asking the guardian to protect him? No good player would do that as they would just get killed, the guardian would only be able to save them one night.

    Vote Darave tonight. Vote miked tomorrow (unless the messages give us anything concrete)
     
  11. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I can't think of another player who'd randomly point out a player at random to lynch, as the seer.
     
  12. AshdonWFC

    AshdonWFC Prediction League Champion 2011/12

    Got a lot to catch up on here, am doing my best but am quite busy at work - a number of new beers to analyse pre-sale.

    From what I've read so far though, I'd say you have to stick to what the seer has seen rather than guessing. If we do that, we'll either end up lynching another Evil character or we'll know who the tinker is/was. It seems like the most logical approach today. Will catch up on other theories and posts as the day goes on.
     
  13. nairobi hornet

    nairobi hornet Reservist

    im happy to go with this if we have to (think its a waste) but regardless of what happens tonight or accusations that are thrown out tomorrow, if he is the tinker (which I am sure he is) then we have to go with Miked, moog or Harrow tomorrow
     
  14. nairobi hornet

    nairobi hornet Reservist

    this!
     
  15. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I've just had a quick look at Norway's posts from yesterday and it makes me more inclined to think that darave might be the tinker and miked is the one we should be going for. Not sure if I'm confident enough to go against an "evil" viewing though!
     
  16. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    Very happy to go with this.

    I would completely understand if us 3 are suspected tomorrow IF darave turns out to be good. I really want to force this point though, the seer should view miked first tomorrow. I think more evidence points towards him.
     
  17. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    How profound!

    However, that is kind of the point of the messages. It's obviously bad news when you're named in one, unless, on the rare occasion, when it unequivocally clears you, but bear in mind, out of those messages, we've lynched one wolf and one goody. That's not bad going.

    If we'd just gone about lynching people at random, I can say we'd be a lot worse off.

    We also know at least 1 of the wolf's messages for certain (from day 1, declaring Darave as good) and today's wolf message is somewhat redundant, as the wolf has unwittingly or deliberately chosen the same person to name as evil as the seer.

    Therefore we've only doubt about yesterday's messages, regarding which is which.
     
  18. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    And the other 3 are from the Seer. Are you saying we're taking too much notice of the messages? It's our main source of evidence.

    Also, by luck or judgement, 2 of the 5 evil characters are dead in two days. That's a very decent return so why try to persuade us to change tack?
     
  19. wfcmatt

    wfcmatt First Year Pro

    I've just read through and caught up with everything. Some interesting theories going about regarding Norway being the witness. Today I'll be voting for davrave, as even though there's a decent chance he's the tinker you just cannot ignore the fact that a seer has 100% viewed him as evil. Once we find out if he was good/evil it should clear a few things up as well- and if he is evil those defending him now had better watch out!

    I must say though- miked2006 has been acting suspicious in my eyes most of the game, especially recently with his constant instance that he is proven good. Seer- you know who to view tomorrow (unless you did yesterday?- not sure which message was from who).
     
  20. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    Where is everybody else?

    Seems the same 6/7 people posting. Would like some other people to have their say. I know some are busy, but I'm sure there's a few of you lurking in the background.
     
  21. wfcmatt

    wfcmatt First Year Pro

    Also, nobody seems to have focused on the fact that cthulhu was evil, and most likely the traitor (unless he was the wolf which killed meh?- but the story does says that cthulhu was killed on the other side of the village to which meh met his demise). So it could be worth going through his posts seeing if he defended anybody or who he deflected attention away from
     
  22. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Ghostly voice.......Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo! Bet you are missing me now ;)
     
  23. nairobi hornet

    nairobi hornet Reservist

    another one has seen the light! :) if you don't feel confident doing it today, vote Darave off and if he is the tinker, we will tonight know for sure whether we have the game won or not
     
  24. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    What I'm saying is that there are loads out there that aren't mentioned in the anon posts that we seem to have completely forgotten about.
     
  25. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I have a feeling one of our evil players is happy to hide in the background and let us catch the rest, so they don't gain any unwanted attention
     
  26. AshdonWFC

    AshdonWFC Prediction League Champion 2011/12

    :sign2: ? ;)
     
  27. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I think Miked is the traitor and have since the second day once we found out Cude was evil (after his death)
     
  28. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    You're dead, respect the game and stay out of the thread, (in memory of Meh).
     
  29. AshdonWFC

    AshdonWFC Prediction League Champion 2011/12

    Simple, but effective. I like it!
     
  30. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    True but hopefully the Seer will chose his viewings carefully and other players like the masons will continue to be useful. No one is above suspicion.
     
  31. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Both today messages claim that darave is the wolf.

    He needs to go today.

    If he is good, I am certainly in trouble tomorrow. But I know I will not be.
     
  32. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    If darave is evil, will you still think that I am the traitor?
     
  33. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I think I'm going to have to go with the messages today &, if darave is the tinker, I'll have miked in my sights tomorrow.
     
  34. nairobi hornet

    nairobi hornet Reservist

    if he is the tinker yes if he is a wolf then who knows.... but im pretty sure he is the tinker and you are the traitor @ Miked
     
  35. nairobi hornet

    nairobi hornet Reservist

    happy with that but lets hope the wolfies don't get too many of us who will go for miked et al tomorrow if we vote Darave today
     
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