Werewolf XVI: Day 2

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  1. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    Not much we can do from just the one message so waiting for the next one.

    However, I can understand why the seer would view Miked, if that message is indeed from the seer
     
  2. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    By whom? I'm not sure I'd read too much into that or any previous roles.
     
  3. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

  4. 352

    352 Moderator

    Second message sent at 11:34am:

     
  5. fox in the box

    fox in the box First Year Pro

    Well, missing the first day has left me a lot to catch up on. So far there isn't anyone obvious who stands out to me, but miked is the only one I have suspicions about
     
  6. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    We have so much to go on...














































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  7. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Second message is a reaction to the first and screams wolf to me.

    I'd say Mike is confirmed good and VoR we have absolutely no evidence against either way apart from being suspiciously quiet, the same as many others.
     
  8. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    It does seem like someone is trying to stitch up TVOR. I have a feeling the first message was the seer and the second one is an inexperienced wolf.

    My logic for this is:

    An inexperienced wolf would call TVOR good in the hope that people believe the first message and then lynch TVOR (as it would then be the wolf 'clearing' him). Realistically, a wolf would never clear themselves, especially not someone as experienced as TVOR.
     
  9. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    What Seer would tell people who to lynch, based on zero evidence?

    I'm convinced that message one is the seer now, which makes Mike good. Weirdly I think the message naming me good yesterday was from the wolf.
     
  10. Jellyman

    Jellyman Squad Player

    There is a fairly clear comparison to be made between the first message yesterday and the second message today and vice versa.

    It makes a lot of sense for the wolf to attempt to mimic the seers style, but not the other way around.
     
  11. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    Lets vote Daft Row.
     
  12. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Agree on both points. Unfortunately for you Darave, (and I'm taking into account the 2nd message today which shows an inexperienced wolf), why would the wolf name you as good considering they don't know any roles? I can't fathom it.
     
  13. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    Or Cassetti's Beard.
     
  14. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Wow.

    So if the wolf said Darave was innocent on the first day, and is now telling us to go for him on the second day, what does that show us?

    Looks like he is trying to either get VOR off the hook, or make VOR look stupid and get Darave off the hook.
     
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  15. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Morning all. Just catching up on developments. At least now we know that the second message yesterday must have been from the Seer. Which means that, as well as miked and TVOR, darave is not in the clear yet. We must also not forget today that two of the wolves know each other's identity which gives them an advantage.
     
  16. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    In fact I might vote for nairobi hornet. Acting suspicious to me.
     
  17. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    That's what I find odd. If I was the wolf, I would of made a continuation of the previous days message and left a seed of doubt in peoples mind.

    By naming me good yesterday but then suggesting I get lynched today, you have really fu*ked up wolfie.
     
  18. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Fox In The Box is super quiet and then returns just after the second message to blame Mkike? Suspect.
     
  19. merchandiseman41

    merchandiseman41 Reservist

    My thinking the first message could be either seer or wolf as both would naturally claim success for the Cude killing yesterday.

    Both would also claim Miked as good. Seer cause he viewed him and Wolf as he knows him from the pub joint killing.

    The second message confused me though as everyone said TVoR was evil yesterday based on pretty decent probability stats and last year's playing style.

    I still see no reason to lynch Darave as if it was me I would have viewed him again as seer if yesterday's reasoning was Darave being a wolf.

    I'm thinking second is Wolf and might well be deflecting the scent from himself.

    Therefore I'm watching TVoR until more discussion ensues.

    Sorry for the ramble but still learning the game as I watch and play
     
  20. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Squad Player

    for whats its worth second message I believe to be the seer
     
  21. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    Refer to post 103. That's my thinking on it.
     
  22. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I'm honestly not really sure where to go from here.

    I believe the first message is the seer, which means miked is good.

    So for that reason I am leaning towards PO (possibly the traitor, him and miked were arguing strongly against voting for Cude when it was the logical choice, and Mike has now been cleared)

    And Darave, as he has now been mentioned twice (seemingly by the same person)
     
  23. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    One thing to bare in mind, Cude may have been the alpha wolf...

    Meaning we have a new wolf messaging us today, potentially explaining the change in view of Darave. I think the wolf messaging us today is quite inexperienced
     
  24. fox in the box

    fox in the box First Year Pro

    just bad timing by me
     
  25. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    If Cude was the Alpha Wolf then wouldn't the new wolf be told his message history?
     
  26. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Ok. Trying to stay logical here. The Seer will not lie; the wolf will. Both messages today claim they viewed Cude yesterday. Bad move by the wolf to say this methinks. Now we know yesterday's second message was from the Seer. If the Wolf had pretended to have sent msg 1 as the Seer yesterday, there would have remained an element of doubt about which message was from whom. Since we now know msg 1 yesterday - mentioning darave - was from Wolfy, I am suspicious of msg 2 mentioning hm again. Why would a Seer steer us towards lynching someone for no reason?

    Or I could be talking nonsense - this game does that to you.
     
  27. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    PO and Mike actually made good assumptions yesterday, (Mike's arguments very nearly got me to change my vote), but as with VoR, what logical reason have we got to go for PO?
     
  28. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    Why does it prove the second message yesterday was from the Seer? I read it as the opposite. It seems to me that the Seer found out Cude was evil rather than the wolf being unlucky and naming someone at random who turned out to be evil after all.

    There is still the possibility Darave named himself but that would take some balls on day 1 when it's easy to stay low key.

    For today's, my feeling is Seer first and Wolf second. Either way though, I don't have much suspicion on Mike or TVOR based on today's messages. Some folk were very vocal in leading others away from Cude yesterday but it came across as them being mistaken rather than misleading. But then that leaves us nowhere!
     
  29. Jellyman

    Jellyman Squad Player

    Why, out of interest?
     
  30. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Playing catch up - Am I right in understanding that two of the Wolves know each other and both went for Otter?
     
  31. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Good spot. Yes, that does make sense. In which case either TVOR is clean or someone is trying to put him in the frame. Either way, he looks favourite for the chop in my view, unless anyone has any better ideas?
     
  32. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    The second message yesterday was the one saying Cude was evil. If, as you say above, you think the Seer found that out, then you are agreeing with me that yesterday's second message was from the Seer?
     
  33. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    Yes, that's how I understand it.
     
  34. Jellyman

    Jellyman Squad Player

    It's a very good point and again suggests that this is an inexperienced wolf.

    These messages have been very good for us. I'd say we were more confused before them, which is rare. Normally messages just lead to disagreement and conjecture.
     
  35. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    You're the only one that thinks this even though it's pretty obvious that the second message is from the wolf.

    Starting to think you're the traitor!
     
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