Only if they were incompetent. But I’m also wondering why the wolf would stop doing it? Throw a spanner in the works, maybe, but I’m not sure it’s worked.
For this exact reason, to get people to notice it. I can understand players saying the wolf might use the word their to try and cut off that trail through the messages - why would the seer stop though? If that was the case, both messages today would have misused the word their.
I don't know why I didn't spot this before, compare Message 2 yesterday and Message 1 today: Hi Villagers , Again, I didn't have too much to go on this morning as the only thing I knew for sure was that Cthulhu was good. I decided to take the advice of some posters from yesterday and view Cassetti's Beard. I can confirm that Cassetti's Beard is good. I didn't view Norway as I know both wolves know each other so at the very worst he is an unlucky traitor, unless of course the alpha is playing a brave game and naming the other wolf as evil to throw us off the scent. Do not lynch Cthulhu or Cassetti's Beard, their both good. Your Seer Hi Villagers , Again, I didn't have too much to go on this morning as the only thing I knew for sure was that Cthulhu was good. (Deja Vu) I decided to take the advice of some posters from yesterday and view Grrwood. I can confirm that Grrwood is evil. That brings my views to date as Cthulhu (Good), Cassetti's Beard (Good) and now Grrwood (Evil). We must lynch Grrwood today, their is no other option. Your Seer The blue text is identical. Seer using a template or wolf using C&P?
It would be good to hear from some of those on here who have not given a view, before the voting is a foregone conclusion. What’s everyone thinking? @Optimistichornet @hornetgags @HappyHornet24 @Daft Row @Horace_goes_up_north
It looks to me like it is completely intentional that both messages finish with an incorrect usage of the word their. We've all played the game before, we know it's vital a seer keeps to their style.
I think our other two evil players are in this list but also unfortunately our seer. Makes sense for them all to be as inactive as possible.
Given that the current score is 7 good to 3 evil, and we typically get a backup seer, I'd say it's important to start being a bit more pushy. If we don't get an evil tonight and both wolves go for different good players, then it will be 4 to 3. In that scenario, we would very likely take out one evil (the one not picked out of you and Grrwood), but if it's not a wolf and the two wolves go for different picks then it's over. We essentially need a wolf today or tomorrow to stand a chance of winning. Without getting the views of the quiet players, it's going to be very hard to know who to go for. It doesn't need to be much. Just: I'm leaning towards X because I think Y. That certainly won't reveal a seer.
Hi All, Really sorry about this morning. Mega busy with work and only just able to log on. Was supposed to be a quiet week this week. Retail! I'll have a quick read through now. I've got to go out and grab lunch at 1 so have a bit of time now.
Gags would indicate joke teller or choking...sniggering doesn't even play out as you clutch at straws. What I will say, with all the clues Norway was dropping about being the Guardian, you went after him for 2 days and got your way and tried to throw everyone off the scent by asking what clues he was dropping. I think the other wolf is protecting you by naming you good. Therefore, I'm pretty convinced you're one of the wolfs.
Daft Row has voted early, as a very quiet player I am unsure of his status. @hornetgags Cthulhu must be good because he was mentioned in both messages today so one of those genuinely was the seer. You're a touch paranoid, I think. I wonder why?
Spoken like the other wolf. Then go ahead and lynch me, I'm bored anyway. I'll start the voting for me.
I've not had time to read a lot but seems we are basing a lot on their use of the word "their". It would seem that the Seer has used "their" incorrectly both times, but seems odd that the 2nd message today, if from the wolf, would ignore this completely today (even though it was helpfully pointed out to them by someone on here!). May be worth going back through all posts to see if "there" has been used incorrectly anywhere else if anyone has time, to see if any trap was set somewhere over the past day or 2? May point us to someone else? I did say yesterday to watch out for the quiet players who everyone seemed to be ignoring, however I'm guilty myself today so kinda throws that out of my argument. As for the 2 named - it's hard to decide without Grrwood here to defend himself. Nornironorn does seem to be panicking a little too much though. Weird voting patterns aren't really making this any easier guys. I do need to shoot off to Morrisons so will be back in about 45 minutes.
I'm going to try to not get drawn into the 'there, their, they're' debate here. It is easy enough for a wolf to seize on something like that and incorporate it into their messages. Looking at other players I think Otter is good. He implicated both of the players mentioned in the messages today last night. The only way he could therefore be evil at this stage is if he is a wolf who has accidentally outed a traitor. Cthulhu is also good as per the messages.
Reading through the thread today, and his response norn does seem to be in some kind of trouble. I will be voting for him at this stage, unless anyone can point me elsewhere.
The key point for me is the attempt to be consistent. One message giver is consistent throughout (that implicates Grrwood) and one isn’t (implicating NI). It is more advantageous for a good player to be consistent than an evil player. So I’m leaning towards Grrwood. If we have an inconsistent seer, then we are screwed anyway.
Just answer me this then - why would the seer stop incorrectly using their and the wolf (who hasn't done it previously) start all of a sudden. If I do get lynched, I think those targeting me without posting a reasonable response to why the above may be true, need to be looked at.
That’s decided it for me. We know the seer was consistent on day 1 and 2. There is a message on day 3 that is consistent with the style of messages on day 1 and 2. They implicate Grrwood. It makes no logical sense to change style, when people have been vocal that they are using the seers style to tell which post is from the seer. It’s got to be Grrwood first. If he’s good, then it has to be Norn tomorrow.
Its fairly obvious to be honest Norn. You are an experienced enough player to know that the wolf will try to copy message styles if they feel it is beneficial. In the first two days a wolf has nothing to gain by copying the message style as we were really none the wiser as to which message was from the seer and which was from the wolf. Today however we have a good indication on those first four messages, so it makes sense for the wolf to change his tack a bit.
Are you trying to protect a fellow wolf Mike? Is that why you would vote for Grrwood today? Trying to buy Norn another night in the village?
If you’re good, then voting for yourself confuses the issue. Good players need to study the votes to find evil players. By voting for yourself, it looks like you’re trying to avoid being caught voting for one or the other, which is incredibly suspicious.
Why would the seer, who we know has been consistent on day 1 and 2, suddenly change styles on day 3 to confuse us? Unless you can answer this, then your pushing for NI to be lynched is odd.
Back and catching up. I know that, in this game, you can get caught up in making too much of the smallest details but I noticed this too. We know that the first message yesterday was the Wolf, who used the word "evil". Has the second message deliberately used a different adjective to alert us to the fact that it's the Seer this time? (we know the Seer has only viewed good villagers up to this point). We know that grrwood has been a relatively quiet player so far - which has been a wolf tactic in past games - but, in recent games, we have got more savvy to this and quiet players have come under suspicion. Nornironhorn has been a savvy player so far - but, knowing what a good player he is makes me wonder if he is a very clever wolf hiding in plain site.
Is this a genuine argument? So, the seer makes two obvious mistakes in their first two messages to act as a link. The wolf doesn't copy it. Then today, the same obvious link appears. The other message today fails to follow any sort of linked structure once again. I think no matter who gets lynched tonight, myself or grrwood, the truth will come out. It is important for team good to remember you are the one voting for me.
Also, why on earth has Hornetgags voted for himself? Makes absolutely no sense to do so out of "boredom". I did think some of his comments yesterday didn't quite make sense. I'm wondering if he is trying to distract attention from someone he knows is a Wolf?
miked is another experienced and very good player imho. His certainty that we have to vote grrwood first has surprised me and rung alarm bells. I can't categorically decide between the two on the evidence so far. But then again, I'm suspicious of just about everyone right now, as is usually the case the further into the game we get!
Giving a consistent style of message is a typical move by the seer, which allows us to recognise the seer's posts. Day 1 message 1 and day 2 message 2 are very consistent and were both from the seer. This has been confirmed. Day 3 message 1 is again very consistent to D1M1 and D2M2. They all have a space before the comma on line 1, and the 'their' on the penultimate line. I'm only insistent as no one can answer the following: Why would the (confirmed) seer be consistent on day 1 and 2, but then inconsistent on day 3?
So Daft Row has voted for me quickly with no real reason. Opti is trying his best to confuse people when it is a selection based on seer style. Grrwood is evil. If I get lynched or killed tonight, these are my 3 bets for the evil players.
This. I had actually noticed this yesterday and again today but didn't want to mention it as it appears another link between the two messages - tomorrow's wolf message will now almost certainly replicate both links. To reiterate: Two seer messages have made a mistake with 'their' and also added a space before the comma. Today, we have one message that matches both of these links.
I agree Happy, all this early voting before Grrwood and a couple of the more silent players seems a bit odd .What's all the rush to sway the votes? For what it's worth, I can see an argument were the seer may change the "their" if the wolf went first and used. I wonder if a novice or unsure Seer may have been thrown off and wouldnt know how to follow up, so used a different "there" instead?
Going on consistency of style I’m going for grrwood. Gags is being odd now I’ve called him out traitor like weird
