You are weight in what you say, however his actions during that game down at Southampton where he just walked off of the pitch sealed it for me. What kind of a player (& person) walks off without a word to their team mates (the other players reactions were obvious) and without waiting to be substituted, even the bench were taken by surprise by his actions. To me these actions gave me as much insight as I needed to form the opinion I have. He has however only reinforced that for me over time.
Agree with this Go down injured,get some "treatment" , so that the number 2_has a bit of time to warm up
There should be a catch all stat for all the idiotic self indulgent stuff keepers do. “Ederson now has 17 bell3nds to his name this season, with a completion rate of 82%”
I disagree. It’s an appalling decision to play a 5 yard pass to a defender who has an attacker in forward motion nearest to them. It’s even worse to do that outside your box meaning you are back pedalling to receive the pass back with the attacker now in full sprint. the kicker is the pass is underhit and sierreltas touch is still shocking. This bit underlines your overall point about playing out from the back, but the trigger point to the whole calamity is Bachmanns decision making
Or if your being more accurate, the trigger is Cleverley's instructions for the team to play like that.
This. If your keeper isn't good with the ball at his feet, change your keeper or change the way you play. We looked so much more comfortable when we went long, and better still when Bayo came on to make it stick when it went long.
Perhaps, are we absolving a 30 year old international footballer from the responsibility to know what a good 5-10 yard pass scenario looks like? He should be scanning to see O'Hare's movement. Even from the backpass, Ogbonna is telling him to play into Louza. I will say we muck about far too long in our own half but playing out doesn't have to be slow. That ball goes into Louza on the half turn we've broken the first line and are (well should) be looking to play into the edge of the attacking third
Perhaps I hadn't put it very well. The whole short-passing from goal kicks package-deal is a calamity in waiting. Bachmann's shortage of clearance skills is certainly a part of that. But presumably this is all part of a plan, I suppose to stretch the opposition out by tempting them forward. On the other hand, perhaps it is an unstated acknowledgement that alternatives are thin on the ground. Eg kick it long and early so that Bayo (or Jebbison!) can win it and play it on. Hmm.
It's a bizarre obsession modern coaches have. I remember a year or two ago Barnsley went to Chelsea in the cup and tip tapping it out from the back - they got caught out a couple of times on their way to a 6-0 loss. Coaches want to play a way to impress rather than play to win. It's why old school winners like Warnock are now out of the game while managers like Russel Martin at Saints were continually playing a losing style of football. They'll turn their nose up at results but "stick to their principles". Play to the strengths of your team...
Therein lies the rub Play out from the back ? You are only as good as your defenders\keeper allow you to be Knock it long ? Ditto the target man
Definitely then the wingers /full backs are left standing in space not getting the ball so move in field to try and get involved meaning there is no width .
They want a career that delivers a job at a big club and in the meantime they want to borrow youngsters on loan - both require "pretty possession-based play-it-out-from-the-back" football.....
If they are drilling Bachmann on his foot work and distribution it isnt working to the point where it looks like they arent doing that.
It's odd. I get it in Foundation and YDP phases because in the 2-4 passes out from the keeper it compasses almost everything you need to learn and master. But at professional level it's about impact and results. Slot is a good example of this. They play out from the back but they look to get up the pitch fast. Same with Utd under Fergie. I remember an interview with Ferdinand about his first training session. He played a sideways pass and got hammered by Keane, Neville and Scholes saying you're not at Leeds now, get it forward.
It should be, but it isn't. There are plenty of people in football now who focus on 'playing the right way' over winning. I can't remember which manager said it but one said the best style of football is wining football. Whoever said it is probably out of the game now. It even happens with fans - some players that are easy on the eye but ineffective get lauded whilst scruffy but effective players get criticised.
TBF to Bachmann when he was in his youth the "sweeper-keeper" was in its infancy unlike today So his distribution skills would not have been worked on or developed like they are today So in essence DB and other keepers of a similar vintage are being asked to do something that they are not able to do .
We had a very similar conversation at work last week. I think the ‘Pep effect’ is rampant throughout English football. You have teams like Port Vale now insistent on playing out from the back or trying to play through the lines and it simply doesn’t work for probably 90% of teams. Tberes nothing wrong with a direct approach or a different way of play. Teams need to stick to what they’re good at.
This is what you are missing on Twitter! Has been a regular at Partick Thistle, but the loan has just ended and rumoured to be going to Ross County (managed by Don Cowie) in the division above. Thistle fans gutted.
I think this is a vanity issue for lots of teams. I’ve lost count of the times premier league teams give away a goal because they are trying to copy Man City’s style. Southampton were the poster boys under Martin.
The bigger problem for Bachmann when he was in his youth is he wasn't playing. Moved to Stoke in 2011 as a 17 year old and then barely played professional football until 2018. Most of what we're talking about here are 5-10yd straight passes along the ground. They're not hard and at the Vic it's basically on a carpet. Being a pro footballer I suspect Bachmann could play outfield for most Sunday league sides and rip them a new one. I think the days of the goalkeeper being some sort of footballing luddite ended in the 90s. Plus in our Xisco Disco promotion season his distribution was actually pretty good. It was something of a strong point for him. But a few months in the PL seemed to addle his brain completely and he's never recovered his composure.
He just strikes me as a nervous/constantly on edge character, and the pressure of playing a sensible short pass in front of 18k fans ready to jeer him, and not ****ing up, is just too much for him.
Confidence wise he looks shot, and could do with some vocal backing from the crowd which he simply won't get.
DB is emblematic of the past few seasons under Pozzo: a player whose faults are as apparent as his best moments; a character who divides opinion yet seems loyal to the cause; someone who keeps his place because of a lack of ambition in recruitment. Personally I think he seems like a nice enough guy and I think he’s a passable goalkeeper at this level. But he is no Heurelho Gomes. I don’t think we need to go back to the 90s and talk about Miller (or David James or Alec Chamberlain for that matter). It was only recently that we had Ben Foster seeing out his career between the sticks. He may have been dreaming about donning lycra and buying the latest lubricants for his bicycle, but he was also a class above Dan Bachmann. I wish DB a quick recovery and a good life generally. And I think he can do well as a goalkeeper. But not for us. I think we should be getting someone new in this window. Someone who has played at a high level and who will come in and bring some fresh confidence and calmness to the back line. Someone who won’t point the finger at others for his own mistakes, and who won’t bellow “AWAAAY” too many times. I don’t know who, but I’m sure there’s someone out there.
Yes I've been shouting the same at my misses for weeks now. 20 years ago there was a definitive way of playing in the championship, which started with organisation and ended with sheer hard work. It could be messy but it had us on our feet and many games were very open. The thing that really annoyed me tho was the long goal kicks, where several of the attacking team all drifted to one side of the pitch waiting for a header, and several of the defending team did the same creating a right melee at times...
Play to our strengths, but what are they? Bachmann's punts upfield always put the opposition in possession as our forwards can't win headers. Bachmann was the last Watford player to touch the ball before Sheff scored their first. On the other hand, Bachmann is the main culprit in the disasters when we play it short.
