War? Huh! Good God. What Is It Good For? The Uk’s Next War: Poll

I don’t wanna go to war, I don’t wanna go to war. I said I know what I want and I don’t wanna go to war. Do you follow me?

But inevitably we will. So who will it be?

 

I thought we were already in a culture war, where marxist activists are telling us what what we can and cannot say, that we are racists because of the colour of our skin and nothing else, that we are transphobes because we do no agree with a lunatic tiny minority of the trans community, and then say liberals (real liberals, who don't like racism, identitarianism, censorship, etc.) are the aggressors for standing up for science, civil rights and freedom of speech.

Other than that, I don't think we have anything to worry about unless somehow Labour get back in. They do have an unhealthy habit of following America into unjustified and, some would say, illegal wars.

 

And it seems we may be going to war with France, because there is nothing more likely to garner French votes than a tough line against the Brits.

Macron made the 'historical precedent' argument regarding fishing in UK waters, so the UK called his bluff and said, as part of the WA, that French fishermen who could demonstrate their historical record (shouldn't be a problem as records are meant to be kept by the authorities) would be granted a licence, but it turns out they cannot prove a history. Did Macron not understand the agreement he wished to be negotiated, and which he signed off on?

Yet France is now threatening to cut off power, close ports to UK fishermen, and more.

Maybe we should be more worried about our friends in the EU who find themselves desperate for votes.

 

It's the moderates (lol) that are censoring people via social media on behalf of the establishment.

 

I've voted for Scotland although I really don't see why we should wait until they're independent. Time for a civil war to crush rebellion I say.

 

It'll definitely be a small country. We don't invade nuclear powers despite all of the posturing.

 

Good vote, though once they get independence I reckon it will take about a week before it kicks off.

 

Me, I think a bit of gunboat stuff with Spain or une guerre du morue with the French.

 

It will be whoever the US decides to attack next I imagine. All the monkeys will get fired up by the press who love a good war to get some views/ad revenue, anyone trying to stand up to the new monkey war thought cult will be laughed at and attacked as usual. Cant see a big war happening unless out handlers think they need to wipe out a a billion or two chimps so the rest can be controlled more easily.

Arent we already in a proxy war or two by selling arms to dodgy states anyway?

Personally I am waiting for the false flag alien invasion so the world come together to fight off the imaginary enemy.

 

My bad for not adding the alien option.

 

You missed The Woke off your list.

 

Oh I expect they will have got a mention.

 

Do you have an example?

 

Drugs. After 50 years despite small battles being won by the government, a trip to Wetherspoon's on a Friday night in London (or the toilets of the house of commons on a Tuesday afternoon) will show you drugs are undeniably still winning the war by a large margin, so we need to double down.

 

There are people on drugs, we are fighting a war and they are winning it. What does that say about us?

(With credit to Bill Hicks).

 

Christmas.

The War On Christmas will be swift and savage.

 

Facebook and twitter censoring people on behalf on the Dems. If people challenge the establishment narrative they get censored.

 

Who was censored for challenging the establishment narrative rather than just being a di.ck? Trump was never censored until his lies became egregious and objectively damaging.

Otherwise social media has been very good at facilitating wholesale daftness, much to the irritation of state agencies trying to combat the pandemic.

 

It starts off with obviously "crazy" people like Alex Jones etc. Those on the left cheerlead. They then come for anyone who challenges the pro-establishment narrative. I am not referring specifically to the pandemic btw.

YouTube will also demonitise, block, or shutdown anyone who criticize's Biden from the left. Liberal authoritarianism is very real.

A few months ago Jen Psaki actually called on social media companies to coordinate and ban anyone who spreads 'disinformation' from all social media sites. Who gets to decide what 'disinformation' is?

Orwellian stuff.

 

Nobody, barring temporary auto-bans due to mass reporting abuse/algorithmic errors that are reverted later.

 

Absolutely. Sorry, I thought you were refering to something closer to home.

They are blatant about it in the US. Jen Psaki, Biden's press person, spelled out their co-operation saying the Administration provided them with problematic issues which should be suppressed. That was a few months back, but it should still be on YouTube somewhere.

Edit, sorry, just seen you mentooned this.

 

Hunter Biden's laptop wasn't a lie but Social media suppressed any link to the information. Democrat voters, in light of the fact that the story is now accepted as genuine, have stated it would have changed their vote.

Twitter blocked mainstream media accounts that carried the story, on the grounds the information was stolen - it wasn't.

Days before, they had no problem publishing Trump's tax returns (showing him to be totally above board), which not only had been stolen, but also leaked by unknown people. No suppression of that story though.

It is not a secret. No one is trying to hide it.

 

It is still on YouTube.

I think people are far too beholden to political parties and politicians. They nearly always renege on their 'values' once they get a whiff of power. The vast majority of politicians are slimy and cannot be trusted. They are more interested in personal gain, than making their constituent's lives better.

I reckon Starmer is very much cut from the same cloth. Still can't work out whether he genuinely believes he can be PM, or whether he is just a tool.

 

Trump is still banned.

And no one can see his posts to decide for themselves whether he was wrong or not.

Funny that, he gets impeached, with accusations about his content, but he gets banned so no one can dispute the narrative. He's still banned.

Can anyone quote a Trump tweet that would have got anyone else banned? If they were that bad. the left would be all over it.

 

As was Russiagate, the Syrian gas attack (pretty much anything that goes against the interests of the military industrial complex and permanent state)- See how whistleblowers get treated for exposing government lies.

RE. COVID, Dr Fauci got away with lying about the need to wear masks, when others where de-platformed for similar things. People were called conspiracy theorists for claiming that COVID may have been the result of a lab-leak. Now the establishment are suggesting this may have actually happened.

It is ok to lie, so long as it's at the behest of the establishment.

The Democratic Party are as in bed with Silicone Valley and Big Pharma, as the Republicans are the NRA and Big Oil.
Both sides are evil. It is ok to acknowledge this.

 

Blair was the worst for this IMHO. I reckon he started out with good intentions, and just got blown away with it. "You can save the free world Tony, come up here and sit with us..."

Animal Farm, without a doubt.

 

Liberals tend to be mealy-mouthed careerists imo. Their policies have only served to drive the narrative further right. Blair and Clinton were both incredibly damaging in this regard.

I am still unconvinced that HRC would have been a better option than Trump.

 

I don’t agree. You can hear Alex Jones any time you like. He’s not banned from speaking and his content is all over the place.

And it’s perfectly reasonable to get rid of disinformation with respect to something like Covid. It is without doubt costing lives. That isn’t freedom and there is no reason for mainstream platforms, TV networks and public service broadcaster to show it.

A complete free for all of ideas is a rabbit hole we shouldn’t fall down. Putin has more power to influence opinion than you have. If he is discrediting vaccines for pure political mischief that doesn’t need broadcasting.

Sure a democracy needs to silence as little as possible, tolerate as much as possible. Drawing the rules of what can be published or said requires the highest principles, the utmost scrutiny but a free for all is absurd, delegitimises all for the freedom to harm. People like Jones can inhabit the margins, not banned, but not indulged.

 

I did not say it should be a 'free for all'. There are criminal laws to prevent things like incitement of violence etc. Why on earth would we need billionaire social media moguls to decide what is disinformation, especially when their decisions are clearly politically motivated?

They are silencing anything that seriously threatens the mainstream narrative. This is extremely dangerous. People won't be so in favour of censorship if/when a real fascist gets voted in. This is entirely possible, after Biden fails to make significant, positive changes the US, despite the Dems having complete control of government.

More than 70% of people supposedly get their news from Facebook or Google. So censorship is clearly going to have a huge impact on the information people receive.

If the same standards applied to the mainstream media, they would all be de-platformed too.

 

Which lie when?

People were called conspiracy theorists for saying, as a statement of fact and without evidence, that COVID definitely came from a lab.

No one said it was impossible a virus could have escaped from a lab. The argument was that there was no evidence of that after certain people (who should have known better) presented it as fact.

 

The problem with the media is that one class owns it and can put tremendous resources into creating a narrative that sustains their power.

It’s not that a few genuine whackos get shoved to the periphery.

 

Spoken by a person who has seen virtually none of the views he shares shut up, and heartily agrees with the actions of social media in shutting up the ones he dislikes.

Navara "literally communists" Media (don't know the spelling) got blocked by YouTube recently, and went ape s**t. Yet their previous position when right wing voices were being shut up had been "Social Media are private companies, they can shut up who they like". It was only for a few minutes, but their reaction absolutely mirrored theright wing groups who complained about being blocked. How did the right react? After they finished laughing, they said no-one should be shut up for having political opinions.

I think it is fair to believe that posters on here would react in the same hypocritical manner as Navara if it happened to them.

GoBE, Sydney, Cley, Moose all have tried to get me banned from this forum. All come from the left (Cley was the only one who would talk about his reasons). People not too removed from these posters have regularly had threads closed down, and the entire politics section was closed down, and it cannot be a coincidence that these things tend to happen when leftie arguments have not stood up well to criticism or scrutiny.

The right want to talk, the left want the right to shut up.

 

You should check your facts.

He told people there was no need to wear masks because they were not effective in the early days of the pandemic. He's on video saying it.

He explained later that he had told this to the public to stop a rush on masks so there were enough for health services, when he could have said, we are prioritising the health services.

So it was a lie, and he explained that fact himself.

He said he and the agencies he worked with had not funded Gain of Function research into COVID type viruses, testifying in Congress, only for subsequent facts to come out, including one of his agencies saying "yes we did", that show he was lying. This has received massive publicity in the last few weeks.

So, hearing you ask "what lies?" Seems to suggest you either do not know or do not want to know when people you support are lying to you. That is a dangerous situation for anyone who is relying on you to make informed judgements.

You are also being extremely misleading when you say people were stating that it was a fact the virus came from the lab. If you can find a serious mainstream comentator who said that, I would be surprised, though I imagine I could find you many reports from CNN, etc., that show them misleading you into believing that is what they said.

People were being shut up for speculating that a bat virus, originating in a cave thousands of miles from Wuhan, which did actually break out in a city that was home to what may as well have been called "The Chinese National Bat Virus Research Laboratory", may have actually come from said laboratory.

Those people were ahead of the curve, and few of them were making any claims beyond what everyone is speculating now.

And don't forget that some Democrats, and the CCP, were trying to say it came from the US at one point.

 

Absolutely. Unfortunately, in the States the entire News Media (TV) is owned by 6 corporations. They are all aligned to one of the political parties and appear unable to be objective. This is a result of Bill Clinton's telecommunications act.

Fox news are batshit, as are CNN and MSNBC on the other side (the latter have been far worse since Trump derangement syndrome kicked in).

 

Agreed and I'll be honest, I quite like Novara Media. The hypocrisy is almost certainly lost on them, however.