Valerien Ismael - Manager

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Cthulhu, May 10, 2023.

  1. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Well that would be reassuring to those who think the style is going to be dire.
     
  2. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    As vaunted as Farioli is, it’d be a baffling decision to ditch Mowbray after he has led them to the playoffs; the highest finish from a newly promoted side in 8 years. Mowbray has done remarkably considering he took over 3 games into the season after Neil walked out to Stoke.

    It seems that Farioli’s hype is largely derivative of De Zerbi’s success. Not sure it is at all merited based on his actual achievements at club level. Of course, you could be right and we could have missed out. But I think people would have been right to complain about hiring an unproven manager who is not at all familiar with the league, is not fluent in English and hasn’t actually achieved much if we had hired Farioli. That would also likely have been much more of a Gino pick than a Manga pick.
     
  3. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    Was the style this season (which was not at all discernible at any point) not dire?
     
  4. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Is it different for João Pedro Junqueira Jesus or Ayotomiwa Sherif Dele-Bashiru? As someone else pointed out on another thread, it does feel a little disrespectful to ignore the name he chooses to go by and call him by his full birth name, even if your intention is the opposite.
     
  5. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Sorry if you've answered this already but why are you so keen on Farioli? Or is he just a placeholder name for any head coach of the progressive, tippy tappy style of play?
     
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  6. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Indeed - the most reassuring thing for me in those stats reids posted (aside from his team's typically only being average for long balls) was that they're all consistently incredibly low on the dreaded metric of 'Deep Circulation' i.e. passing the ball around the defence, which I bet we were too high on this season.
     
  7. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Good thing is you'll enjoy Valball as long as it lasts then!
     
  8. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Article directly says Pozzo had deciding vote, yet apparently it’s others who are “desperate” to make out that it was a Pozzo decision. Go figure.
     
  9. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Indeed it was, didn't mean to imply otherwise.
     
  10. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Again, he's the owner - the fact he'd have the deciding vote whatever the process is inherently obvious.

    It also doesn't mean his vote disagreed entirely with the votes of others; we won't know the answer to that.
     
  11. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    What exactly are you arguing about here?
     
  12. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    All things being equal, I'm sure we'd love to play 'good' football, but we all know when you try it and it doesn't come off or you don't have the players for it, it can end up looking horrendous
     
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  13. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    What is a “deciding vote”? Very odd phrasing frankly. Implies there was a vote of a group for one thing.

    The way I see it, there the random language that Leventhal has used on the one hand, and explicit quote on the record from Ben Manga that he led the process on the other hand. I would weigh the latter more, and as I have repeatedly highlighted, all of the managers mentioned seem far more connected with Manga than Gino.

    Manga did not say I presented some information to Gino and he decided. He said he led the process. That’s good enough for me.
     
  14. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Yes! Sign 'em up. I've seen enough 'deep circulation' to last a lifetime.

    Whack it forwards early into the channels. Let's get Terry Venables criticising us and Spuds complaining about the sloped pitch. Wing Commander Reep was right then and he's right now. I bet most goals still come from where there have only been 2 or 3 passes preceding it. How many goals are scored by passing 53 times and playing through the opponents entire defence?

    "It's got to go, son. It's got to go big. It's got to go big!" - Graham Taylor.
     
  15. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    “Demand it Les!”
     
  16. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    Ismael’s Dad was born on the island where the great tv series Death in Paradise is filmed.
     
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  17. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Is he Selwyn?
     
  18. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    The Isle of Wight?
     
  19. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    I’m still shocked about Sophie if I’m truthful
     
  20. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    This should be enough to silence the anti-Pozzo brigade once and for all.
     
  21. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    What about Harry?
     
  22. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    They won't give you an answer, just post ad-nauseam non sequiturs about how terrible everything all is. The closest to an explanation I've been able to discern from their posts is that Farioli is handsome and they have a poster of him on their bedroom wall.
     
  23. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Agreed. Which I think makes it interesting the article emphasised this point on more than one occasion.

    It’s certainly obvious, so why state it unless there’s a point to be made from that?
     
  24. Stuey

    Stuey Reservist

    He's a journalist, to get more clicks, views and subs. He must be aware of the negativity towards Pozzo from some quarters.
     
  25. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Good to see Mr. Pozzo planning ahead; I reckon this guy's style will be a perfect fit for us in League 1.
     
  26. andy wfc

    andy wfc Academy Graduate

    If IV puts a stop to our cb's endlessly passing square to each other, our forwards not shooting and our midfield trying to work the ball into the 6 yard box with little give and goes that don't come off that's fine by me. The football has been pants and any change of style he employs cannot be worse than that endured this season.
     
  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    yes was going to post the same. He’s also not Pozzos biggest fan having been frozen out by the club.
     
  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Bad journalist telling lies. Could never be that Dear Leader hasn’t changed. We need to stamp these journalists out and wait for Parlaci in 2 months.
     
  29. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    What ??
     
  30. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Given some of the comments on this thread I wouldn't trust a lot of our fanbase to be able to figure out the obvious, so I can understand that mentioning it would be required.
     
  31. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Like all the new managers I aim to give them a chance before binning them off.

    Hopefully we stick by this guy and give him a chance but we all know that if we're bottom third by the time the clocks go back I'll give him till Guy Fawkes night before Gino sticks a Roman Candle out his @rse and puts him on the bonfire.
     
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  32. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    What on earth
     
  33. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    How dare you be so Racist :eek:
     
  34. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

  35. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Ah, bless him.
     

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