Valerien Ismael - Manager

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Cthulhu, May 10, 2023.

  1. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I’m more worried that his ego will cause him to undermine Manga and Ismael. He’s so used to getting his own way and I don’t think he will see them as more important than him …..and he simply isn’t a coach.
    He will, of course, be manager, possibly player-manager by October.
    Last edited: May 25, 2023
  2. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Ha I could definitely see him being at least caretaker manager in November!
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  3. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Reservist

    Honestly, they just make it up as they go along. Pathetic.

    "Valerien, we need to keep the fans onside so you'll be working with an ex player as coach. You've never met him and he's really opinionated".
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  4. Heidar

    Heidar Reservist

    Well that answers the question of who will be our second manager of the season
  5. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Exactly this. Pretty clear he played a major role in undermining at least a couple of the head coaches. He was also the biggest character in a dressing room that regularly downed tools for coaches
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  6. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett First Team


    Nice idea.

    Try telling that to Lord knows how many tennis clubs who use lazy, formulaic,unsafe so called ' coaches' .

    I don't know why Pozzo bothers. He clearly wants to do it himself.

    "Home improvement expert Harold Hill from Harold Hill..."
  7. Loyalhornet

    Loyalhornet First Year Pro

    I quite like the idea of this, as someone who could potentially motivate the players and understands the club, although technically have no idea if he would be any good. If you extrapolate forwards though, Deeney takes over when Ismael is sacked and then ..Deeney is sacked. That's not going to be a good feeling for anyone.
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  8. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Not sure about that, I'll probably feel almost as relieved when Deeney is sacked as manager as I was when he was finally released as a player.
  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Not a fan then or don’t think he would make a good coach or manager at some point ?

    Admittedly must be too early to expect him to come in and have any affect on a squad who had a few rants at them and not really responded .

    There are more qualified ex players out there.

    Won’t matter anyway probably as we will be changing managers again by October and they will want their own coaching staff .
    Last edited: May 25, 2023
  10. 3000

    3000 Reservist

    I hope it's Neil Ardley. No one could get it in the mixer like he could.
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  11. dynamo380

    dynamo380 Reservist

    You've got the wrong end. It would be Almunia's double save stand surely?
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  12. BeersThen

    BeersThen First Year Pro

    I'm already thinking who will be the ex-player we'll bring in as a coach for Deeney that will take over when Deeney is sacked.
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  13. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    It would have to be the legend that is Gifton-Noel Williams. :)
  14. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    We have felt like a soulless husk since Deeney left, so this could be good news.
    I've felt so disengaged I haven't been to a game, watched highlights or even posted here for months.

    We need something to connect to as fans.

    Until he is unceremoniously sacked.
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    But a lot of people weren’t sad to see him go saying Troy was a problem and not helping the squad at all with his attitude and form .

    Is the feeling that we haven’t replaced him and there is the hope we might see the motivated, in your face Deeney as in his prime when everyone listens to him and seems him a true leader rather than the unfit ,frustrated and not performing Troy we saw in the last 2 seasons of so ?

    Obviously on the touch line though rather than playing .
  16. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    The issue is that Pozzo is a vile invasive influence that has infected every fibre of our once great club. As supporters we have sensed the putrid smell of evil but we have been misdirected - Giraldi. Duxbury. Hodgson. Deeney. An Edwards pre-season. Even the hapless useless puppet Giaretta.

    Manga will be next.

    The reality is we will never heal until we exorcise the disgraceful owner.
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  17. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Come on Jumbo. Do you like the guy or not? It’s so difficult to read between the lines of your posts :).
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  18. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Who desperately needs the money that takes any job at the club? They’re all wealthy people and it’s not like we pay a lot and give out long deals. We’ve just had Wilder telling us how it is and it was our worst series of results all season. We have got to the stage where any coach or manager at the club know they won’t be there for the term of the contract and for many that’s probably half the reason they take the job, I don’t see why anyone would hold their tongue, because speaking their mind about the problems at the club will just expedite their early exit and inevitable pay off.

    As others have already said, this is Edward MkII, a desperate attempt to pander to what they think the fans want, in order to paper over the giant fault lines running through the club and without any clue how to meaningfully address them.
    Last edited: May 26, 2023
  19. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Wasn't Wilder with us for exactly the term of his contract?
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  20. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    The point was the home truths didn’t exactly make a difference, Troy can come on and tell it like it is and…?
  21. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

  22. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

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  23. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Troy probably ended his chances of getting a job with this comment about the Pearson sacking.

    Without wishing to go over old ground not sure it would have made much difference.

    I suspect the players didn’t like him after the alleged West Ham incident.
    Last edited: May 27, 2023 at 12:14 AM
  24. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Considering we actually played well at Arsenal (after going 3-0 down), I doubt Pearson would have made any difference!
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  25. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    I hated that game so much. We were bang up for it, they were on the beach and then that moron Dawson gave a needless penalty away after about thirty seconds. He did it in another game too (think maybe Southampton at home) where we'd been crap all game and were losing 2-0, got a flukey goal that got us back into the game, everyone was lifted and then they kicked off and he gave away an idiotic free kick that they scored from within about a minute.

    I also can't stand Danny Welbeck doing well as although he seems a decent chap he contributed the square root of f all to our season and then left at the first available opportunity and has been pretty good ever since.
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  26. Doc0075

    Doc0075 Academy Graduate

    I think Dawson also gave away the free kick that lead to Arsenals second goal as well. Brain-dead defender, until he left us anyway.
  27. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yeah, that’s the odd bit. Looked solid PL standard at WBA and West Ham but atrocious here.
  28. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    And then didn’t bother to challenge as the ball was flicked over him into the net for the 3rd.
    He was also responsible for the suicide pass out of defence that led to Brighton’s opener in the first game of the season and then managed not to notice Maupay for the 2 goals in the second half.
    A disaster practically the whole season.
  29. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    While not all of his mistakes were down to him trying to play the ball out (or even most of them), I do remember an interview that the much-maligned Giraldi gave where he admitted that he brought Dawson in as a ball-playing defender, to see that plan be shown up for the folly that in the very first game must have ****ed with his head, because he was great for West Ham
  30. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Also maybe needed to play a younger /quicker defended next to him ?

    Rather than Cathcart or Mariappa .
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  31. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Especially when Luton go top of the premier League with a 5-0 win at the Etihad...
  32. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Welbeck was injured for a while, but was back in training before lockdown, so was fully fit to be picked once the season restarted but Pearson favoured Deeney over him, so I’m not sure his lack of contribution was that much down to him. It’s probably a large contributing factor as to why we went down, not picking the considerably more talented striker (when fit).
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  33. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The fact that Giraldi saw Dawson as a potential ‘ball-playing’ CB speaks volumes about how poor our recruitment has been for years. Did they ever watch him in action prior to signing him?

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