Nothing too gay or with transgender people or too ‘woke’. All that malarky really upsets him. He’d probably enjoy the latest Top Gun.
The Russian's sent almost 100 missiles into a sovereign country, to blow up infrastructure and cut off power and water for Ukrainian civilians too poor or unable to leave, for little reason other than to appease a dictator's ego. Of course the evil Russians are to blame if an air defence rocket accidentally hits a neighbouring country. That much is obvious.
Russia now going down the same soundbytes of trying to make this amount to worse than the 8 months of murder, bombing, forced evacuation and torture they have inflicted. It's unbelievable this is happening in 2022 in Europe.
Regardless of what went wrong it is the evil russians to blame. Russian missile or Ukrainian anti air missile it was only fired because some evil russians fired missiles into western Ukraine, well away from the frontline, as retaliation for having to withdraw from occupying another Ukrainian city. You don't always have to live you to your username
I completely agree that Russia is ultimately responsible for the death of the unfortunate polish farmers, but it is quite interesting how the all the media outlets were reporting that the damage was almost certainly the result of a wayward Russian missile and the Ivans had really pi55ed on their chips as Nato would now kick their ar5es.
I think the real problems would arise should the evidence show it WAS fired by Russia....NATO seems to be desperately putting out there that it was an unfortunate accidental hit emanating from Ukraine.
I agree, of course. But , what I was trying to say was that incident was reported - initially at least - as a Russian rocket had hit Poland. It was only later that it came out that there was, in fact, some confusion over who had fired the missile.
I honestly don’t see the problem. Russia spent all day yesterday lobbing missiles at civilians, killing people. Why wouldn’t people speculate that one falling close by was Russian? But due process has followed and it has been played down rather than up since. But Russia is not exonerated, because it is highly likely that, even if Ukrainian in origin, it’s Russia’s aggression that led to it happening at all.
This 'liberation' has some very odd aspects I wouldn't normally asscosiated with freeing a people under the yoke of Neo-Nazi fascists: Alleged Russian ‘torture room’ uncovered in liberated Kherson
More biased reporting about the Russian liberators (nb very uncomfortable reading): https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1592981715458600961
They really are the scum of the earth this Wagner lot. I actually feel rather sorry for the average Russian conscript, but this Wagner lot thrive on chaos, murder and thievery. I think even staunch pro Russian advocates would find their methods sickening.
Yeah, but if Ukraine hadn’t just been sitting there being all Ukrainian, they wouldn’t have had to do it.
https://twitter.com/AndriusTapinas/status/1593146162517016576 The name took me a while to work out - "PEACE" is peace and "Дец" (dets) could be loosely translated as "for the children". Put them together and it sounds like "піздец" - which I was taught translates as "f*ck up"...
I’d have made a wisecrack about it being one about Watford getting relegated but that isn’t even headline news these days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63676446 A pretty horrible read, but it is important to provide balance. A lot has been made of Russians committing war crimes, but we have to look objectively at Ukrainian actions too. About a week ago Ukraine released a drone still of this, and claimed it was the result of a drone strike. At the time I thought that it was rather odd how all the Russian bodies were laid in a line, but told myself it’s probably the result of Ukrainian soldiers clearing a building and removing the dead. The one odd feeling I couldn’t shake was the blood, all pooled around the individuals head. Now footage has emerged of the surrender of these men. Ukrainian voices are heard asking them to come out of the building and lie face down on the floor. The group emerges and lays down in the positions they are later seen in the drone footage. However, one man dressed in darker clothing emerges and opens fire. The camera operator is struck and we lose the footage. Now via the Geneva convention if you fake a surrender and open fire it is called perfidy and you surrender your rights to be treated fairly. The Ukrainian soldiers are within their rights to kill this man. However they also appear to have summarily executed his comrades with single shots to the back of the head. This is a war crime. It is important that both sides are held to account over acts such as this .
In any war their will be individual acts that constitute war crimes. Each and every one should be investigated and the perpetrators brought to justice. But these individual crimes do not equate to the deliberate attacks on civilian targets that the Russians have engaged in.
Agree with the bulk of your post but this bit is guesswork. Seems more likely to me the blokes on the ground were killed when the Ukrainians returned fire.
Yes there is the chap on the ground with the PKM and he could have taken out one or two in his line of sight to get the gunman, however not with a single headshot. However a light machine gun at that range would make a mess of any head in its path and in the aftermath the only evidence of blood are puddles around their heads. Also none of the bodies have moved from the positions they were before the shooting. If someone is hit by a stray bullet then they are going to roll around. Add to this the reports of the individuals all be killed by a single bullet to the back of the head and you have to go some to suggest this is a combat incident. It looks an awful lot like murder.
Huzzah!!!!!!!!! Finally, the world can see why the Neo-Nazi led Ukrainian population needed liberating* by the armed forces of a benevolent Mother Russia. Now the world can finally support the annihilation* of the гоголь Neo-Nazis by the armed forces of a benevolent Mother Russia. *Via the mass looting of civilian property, the mass destruction of civilian infrastructure, the digging (and filling) of mass graves, the ethnic cleansing of areas, the kidnapping (and re-programming) of Ukrainian children, the operation of torture centres and the use of rape as a tool of subjugation.
I would be amazed if Ukranian forces didn’t carry out any war crimes. Their Country has been invaded by an army that has systematically destroyed, tortured and raped. The temptation to simply execute captured troops who have been shelling civilians or when they uncover the loot the Russians have stolen from the ordinary people they murdered, is going to be overwhelming at times. Without question, abuses must be investigated, but the rush to amplify incidents like these by so many people who simply deny Russian ones or find reasons to justify them (Nazis! Biolabs! Etc) is highly suspect. The Russian losses are a tragedy. The Putin regime has squandered the lives of maybe 100k young Russians on a war it cannot now win to take a Country it wouldn’t be able to hold. The only way to stop those Russians dying, whether inside or outside of the Geneva Convention, is for them to go home. Ukraine does not need moral superiority to have support in the war anymore than Saddam Hussein required it to make the invasion of Iraq wrong.
That’s the bit I don’t get though. Your mate decides to come out firing yet you all stay prone on the ground in the exact same position? Not one takes advantage of the mayhem to make a run for it? It’s all pretty odd. I’ll concede I hadn’t seen the reports about single headshots being the cause of death though. And ultimately when I saw the photo a few days ago of the bodies lined up I thought it looked unlikely they’d all been killed by a mortar barrage.
Not suggesting anything of the sort, Nor the slightest iota of support for Russia or what they've done. However, what I would like to make clear is what I've said from the start. It seems very unlikely to me that all Russians are evil basstads and all Ukrainians are saintly and angelic as the news has wanted to portray over and over again. I think I said at the start that in my experience things are rarely black and white or good vs evil. It tends to be shades of grey. It's the relentless propaganda and the manipulation of popular opinion I hoped to draw attention to.
You are quite right that there will be good and bad on both sides and the deaths of virtually conscripted Russian soldiers are as big a tragedy as anything else in this war. But I make the point about Saddam Hussein again. His regime was horrific, murderous, with a huge security apparatus of thugs who would electrocute your testicles soon as give you the time of day. But that wasn’t a good enough reason for the West to open up the gates of hell and that’s what Russia has done here. There is no fair fight to be had here. If someone breaks into your home intent on theft, torture and murder you would fight in any dirty way possible to protect yourself and expel them. That doesn’t give Ukrainian soldiers the right to ignore the rules of war, but it would be naive to view this as a battle of equal causes.
In this case, the invasion of a sovereign, barely I admit, functioning democratic state by what's little more than an authoritarian kleptocracy would suggest that neither side should be cast as 'black and white' a better description would be "very, very, very dark grey side against very, very light grey side". Your mealy-mouthed claims about "...relentless propaganda..." wouldn't be so laughable if you didn't keep holding 'RT' up as some sort of viable information outlet rather than a conduit for sewage direct from the Kremlin (the same goes for your dismissal of a Ukrainian-American's translations of the propaganda/effluent that the Russian home audience is receiving. Back to the images: they've been floating around social media for a couple of days now and the were finally mentioned on ARRSE yesterday morning* (they have a, now, strictly enforced policy of not showing dead bodies nor 'unverified' images/videos - due to issues caused by a couple of actual Russian troll accounts): https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1593539469885448192 Some analysis of the images here (probably NSFW - I say probably as war porn isn't my thing) but this is one of the more striking slow-mo stills: https://twitter.com/SanderRegter/status/1593537553075953670 Very, very, very dark grey and and very, very, very light grey indeed. *There were a couple of personal accounts following this post of the 'difficulties' of taking prisoners during a firefight - I don't know if they're still there I can't be bothered to recheck.
Anywho . Very dark or something or other . Much cowardice actually. Cannot have certain opinions expressed because of other w**e ******* . TTF we never listened to that war monger zekenski , huh ?. Either he never knew the facts , whereas he should not have flapped his gums (and this is giving him the benefit of the doubt) or he did know that the missiles were Ukrainian. Which is much, much worse. Either way , if you are a a Zelenski fan boy . Shame on you . #VoteLabour . And my time machine says #VoteForPeace. #NoWar
