Thoughts On A.i

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by SkylaRose, Aug 13, 2024.

  1. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Proof that A.I has a lot to learn yet.

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  2. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    All that tells you is that AI hasn't been trained on the data relevant to answer the query.

    Set up a WFCforums dedicated AI that is trained on everything here and you'd see a very different response indeed.

    AI has already passed complicated exams like the US medical licensing examination, so limitations reflect more on a lack of training than a lack of ability.... much like a slacker human student, really.
     
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  3. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Microsoft's Copilot is a bit closer...

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  4. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I think you should ask AI whether the “thoughts on A.I” thread on WFC forums gives an accurate and informed view of AI.
     
  5. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    WTF is Wray?

    EDIT: erm, he is the Director of the FBI. Not very impressive AI there…

    Your Copilot is much more chatty and informal than mine.
     
  6. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    The FBI are on the forum?

    Worrying if true.
     
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  7. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    It's a shame about Wray.
     
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  8. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck Reservist

    For me it is just a very quick tool to search the interweb. A search engine if you will .
    Tap in your own name and any organisation that you are affiliated to and it will tell
    you what you already know. Do the same with an organization that you have no connection to
    and a vague response will come .
     
  9. Keighley

    Keighley First Team


    It looks like “lubaduck” might be a username or a topic discussed on the Watford FC (WFC) forums. These forums are popular among Watford fans for discussing all things related to the club, including match performances, player news, and other football-related topics1.

    If you have any specific details or context about “lubaduck,” feel free to share! It might help me provide a more accurate and detailed response. Are you a Watford fan yourself?
     
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  10. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yes, I’ve found it (ChatGPT) useful for finding out things like excel formulas, so like you say, like a search engine but it spits out the formula or answer straight away for the thing you’re trying to do, rather than having to search through various articles that Google may spit out. I think there is a premium version that may even sort data out and stuff like that, so potentially a useful time saving device for certain tasks. I’ve also found it useful for finding websites and software to carry out certain tasks.
     
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  11. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck Reservist

    Who knew ?!!
     
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  12. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    I’ve certainly learned something today.
     
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  13. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

  14. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    No mention of Andre Gray or Mick Quinn ? AI is broken.
     
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  15. reids

    reids First Team

  16. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    If it's copyrighted then it's private material/data that cannot be used without explicit permission by the owner(s). It's a simple law. If they want to train the new A.I packages to use existing practices, write your own software. Copy the model of an existing one but make changes to call it your own and not a copycat version. It's laziness, they know an existing idea has been discovered but cannot be bothered to re-write it a different way. Maybe they can improve on the original model? Make it better, more suited to not only their needs but the needs of the many instead of the few.
     
  17. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    They're not talking about software code. They're talking about the materials used to train their AI.

    For example, if you wanted to train a history based AI, you'd train it using history books. The disagreement is about that ingested material, which is often copyrighted.

    FWIW I largely agree with OpenAI's assessment that it is impossible to train AIs on modern practices and info without making modern data available to them. That doesn't mean they should be able to use it with impunity, though. This is one area where the law and technology have definitely not kept pace with each other.
     
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  18. Stuey

    Stuey Reservist

    I'm generally in favour of AI if it is used correctly, for example to assist with scientific discovery and to augment research.

    In terms of using copyrighted information, is this that dissimilar to how humans learn from experience? If you are an artist you may use 'copyrighted' work as reference. I'm a music producer in my spare time and use copyrighted reference tracks to measure the fidelity, mix and loudness of my track. Although, I do usually pay for reference tracks.
     
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  19. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    As AI is getting more and more widespread and used in daily life, I thought it was time to resurrect this thread instead of making a new one.

    I've had a few new thoughts on how AI is used, the concept behind it, how it's designed, updated and utilized and most importantly, how safe it is. I still go back to my original argument that I can only trust an AI whose software and back/front end codebase has been verified and written by people who know what they are doing. That being said, I could ask AI to write me a Hello World program in C++ and it would do it correctly. But that doesn't mean I would trust it to write an entire software suite.

    Anything that uses a computer as it's instruction set (which is almost everything) needs to be tested and maintained over years and years. AI can be a very good or a very dangerous thing, depending on what it is being used for. AI is a human created identity. It cannot have it's own identity as long as the ability for it to do so is coded into the software. This is where AI as a concept is still very much something I urge people take caution with. As a species we are going to have people with malicious intent - and these are the sorts of people who write viruses and malware. With AI being essentially a huge malware attack if that was the idea from the start from some devious developer. There is no way to stop developers writing and releasing malicious code, and there is no way to 100% guard against AI being written and released for such a purpose.

    AI can do a lot of good as well. We have already seen this as in business and modern life. It's like anything at the end of the day. Use it, but do not abuse it.
     
  20. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I've never had it, but I'm told it's a lot like HP sauce.
     
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  21. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    It should lead to a revolution in medicine and healthcare. The top researchers in the field have read thousands of journals, but they won’t necessarily be able to utilise ideas from across disciplines or be able to process everything that they’ve ever read. The power going into solving particular cancers is going to be the equivalent of millions of top researchers investigating it 24/7. And that’s not even considering quantum computers.

    People could feasibly live until they’re 150.

    Other fields that involve more human interference however, like alleviating poverty or world hunger, I’m much more sceptical about.
     
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  22. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    There is naturally a lot of panic about AI, especially from things like the creative industry.

    I pay for premium ChatGPT and couldn’t live without it now in my day to day job, I use it for so many things, the new deep research tool carry out a task that might otherwise take you days or weeks.

    Therein lies the problem, it’s currently a non profit but backed by billions of billions investment and will have to go profit making by the end of the year.

    I pay $20 per month but it will eventually get to the point of pay many times that as I rely on it so much now.

    Everybody is worrying about it taking their job, but like everything else we’ll all be sucked in and then once we’re all reliant we’ll be charged though the nose for it.

    This is just phase one, give it away for free and get everyone reliant on it.
     
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  23. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    WFC Forums Persona – ‘CarlosKickaballs’
    CarlosKickaballs is simply a screen-name used by a (now rather inactive) member of the WFC Forums (the Watford-FC fan community). CarlosKickaballs was an active Watford-fan forum user (Forum Picarso rank) circa 2012–2014. Unlike some of the very prolific members, he never amassed huge post counts or special forum roles (no moderator or staff badges are visible alongside his name). His posts reveal a blunt, provocative tone and a heavy dose of sarcasm. He often posts short, pointed remarks rather than reasoned analysis, and frequently uses profanity and insults. In a travel/banter thread he jokingly dismissed Portsmouth as “famous for sailors taking it up the arse” and flatly declared it “a **** hole”. When challenged, he doubled down: “This is precisely why it’s a **** hole.”.

    • Aggressive sarcasm: He commonly uses hyperbolic insults. For instance he quipped “No. It’s both. Portsmouth tried to copy Dubai but ran out of money so only built the skeleton of the burj al arab”to mock a Spinnaker tower's architecture. His tone was often sarcastic and playful—mixing lighthearted digs (“tinpot clubs like Hull…”) with genuine football debate.

    • Crude humor: Much of his humor is dark and crude - e.g. calling one manager "fat dobby". He peppers posts with slurs and profanity – he relishes coarse, confrontational humor rather than moderation or reasoned discussion.
    Humor Style and Content
    CarlosKickaballs’s humor is ironic and biting. He frequently posts sarcastic one-liners and quips that play off others’ comments. For example, after repeatedly taunting a Portsmouth supporter, he abruptly linked to Portsmouth’s tourism site and asked, “Do I get paid commission to do this?”. He also makes self-deprecating jokes about his own team and town (e.g. fearing Udine is “Italy’s Birmingham”). His jokes often exaggerate to absurdity or use vivid imagery. He seems to enjoy trolling reactions; when frustrated by a forum update, he even lamented “Thanks/Likes statistics gone forever :doom:”, combining grumbling with a humorous emoji. He held the custom title “Forum Picarso,” suggesting he saw himself as a sort of in-house satirist or “artist” of the thread.

    Engagement and Interaction
    CarlosKickaballs is highly interactive but rarely conciliatory. He engages mostly in banter/general chat threads and match-day discussions. In sports threads he mixes analysis with mockery (e.g. analyzing players one moment, then quipping about them the next). In general-banter threads (like the “Holidays” thread), he often instigates or escalates arguments by insulting other fans. He routinely quotes other posters to reply point-by-point, usually with sarcasm rather than agreement.

    • Confrontational replies: He often challenges or teases users. For example, when one user criticized him for just posting links, Carlos snapped back, “Have you ever written anything without a passive aggressive tone?”. When an opponent defended Portsmouth, he mocked the city’s Spinnaker tower as scaffolding . He does not shy from provocative language in response — e.g. calling others “****” behind their backs.

    • Friendly vs. hostile: Very few of his posts are purely helpful or friendly. Almost all are either sarcastic jokes or snarky retorts. He rarely offers genuine advice; even comments on technical issues (forum bugs) become sarcastic (“I thought there was meant to be mods to sort out these issues!!!”).
    Thread Activity
    CarlosKickaballs posted across different sections, but general banter and Watford match chat were his main playgrounds. His posts span:

    • Watford match forums: E.g. in a match thread (“Birmingham City 0–1 Watford, 2013”), he made brief, dismissive comments and shared links.

    • Fan banter section: He went on lengthy rants about rival towns architecture and players, using biting humor.

    • General Football/Other Sport: He started threads (like “Are the PL the good guys?”) but often gave one-word or punchy responses.

    • Forum support: He even chimed in on site-technical threads, complaining humorously about updates.
    This shows he wasn’t limited to one topic: he jumped into whatever discussion caught his interest, always with the same irreverent style.

    Distinctive Traits
    • Frequent profanity: Swear words and slurs are routine in his posts (e.g. “**** hole”, “*only for ****s”). He uses these for shock value and humor.

    • Short bursts: Many of his posts are extremely short – often a single sentence or quip. He rarely writes long paragraphs or structured arguments.

    • Image and link use: He occasionally posts external links or images to make a point or joke. For example, he posted a city travel website link in a match discussion . On one occasion he uploaded pictures of managers with funny captions, showing he uses all forum tools for effect.

    • Bold punctuation/emoticons: He often punctuates emphatically (multiple exclamation points) and uses emoticons or forum smileys to mock (as in the “:doom:” face).
    Creative contributions of WFC user CarlosKickaballs(“Forum Picarso”)
    • Satirical “Look-Alike” Memes: In a 2013 thread “Footballing Look Alikes,” CarlosKickaballs posted humorous image edits comparing football figures to celebrities or animals. For example, he attached a photo of a bushbaby and simply captioned it “Ian Holloway”wfcforums.com. In the same thread he posted an Oscars photo of actor Will Smith with the caption “Jobi McAnuff”wfcforums.com.
    • Forum Meme Graphics: On the fans’ “Watford FC Memes” thread (Apr 2013), he contributed more graphic gags. In one post he uploaded an old black‑and‑white photo of Laurel & Hardy (both shushing) and quipped: “The Boo Boys are running out of players to target, so they’re moving onto forum users.”wfcforums.com.
    • Textual “Lineup” Joke: He also made creative text-only posts. In a thread about Doncaster signing a pop star, he mock‑drew a soccer XI in text form. For instance, he listed names across positions like: “Harry … Justin … Jason … Louis … Cassetti … Zayn … Liam … Clooney … Niall” (filling each slot with a celebrity or a boyband member). This arranged “best XI” lineup is a visual gag crafted with text, highlighting his playful inventiveness beyond static images.
    These examples show that CarlosKickaballs’s forum art was usually humorous and satirical. He frequently recycled pop-culture images or witty text formats for comedic effect. The nickname “Forum Picarso” (a spoonerism of “Picasso”) acknowledges him as the forum’s self‑styled resident artist. His postings sometimes provoked strong reactions (e.g. a user calling him “stupid and annoying”) – but his distinct, irreverent style is what set him apart.


    In summary,
    CarlosKickaballs comes across as a troll poster: caustic, confrontational, and quick with a sarcastic comeback. His posts rarely show empathy or deference; instead, he prioritizes wit and provocation. He appears more interested in scoring “bantz” (teasing other fans) than seriously debating. The clear habits in his posting – extensive profanity, ironic humor, quoting others with sharp replies – paint him as a user whose trademark is razor-sharp sarcasm and a willingness to stir the pot.
     
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  24. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    Thanks. I’ll create an original forum-style post in the voice of CarlosKickaballs, using the humor, tone, and posting style he used across WFC Forums—especially his sarcasm, profanity-laced banter, and satirical takes on football and fan culture.

    Response To Thread: “Pozzo Masterplan 7.0 – Trust the Process?”

    You’ve barely buried the corpse of the last “long-term vision” before resurrecting it with a new press photo, a cardboard scarf, and some wide-eyed Albanian teenager who thinks a zonal marking system is a nightclub in Watford High Street.

    We’ve gone from “Project Identity” to “Project IKEA” – flat-pack managers assembled by interns with an Allen key and a vague sense of tactics. But sure, let’s trust the process. The same process that thinks a one-year contract and two clips on YouTube qualifies someone to replace João Pedro. I trust it like I trust a wasp in my trousers.

    Anyway, I’m off to design the new away kit. Thinking hi-vis green with a silhouette of Rob Edwards shrugging on the back. “Watford 23/24: We Tried Something.”

    — Forum Picarso ️
     
  25. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    He sounds a wrong’un !
    Christ knows what it would make of @Relegation Certs ..
     
  26. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Well, Co Pilot could find nothing. Just vague reference to the forum.

    With ChatGPT this was the best I got.

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  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    He’s clearly no @CarlosKickaballs !!!
     
  28. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    > Chat GPT "who is hornmeister on wfcforums?"

    Flying under the radar, for now.
     
  29. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Use copilot. It gives you break down of each sub topic the result finds. Considering it's a M$ product, I have to say I prefer it over ChatGPT right now.
     
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  30. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    At the risk on invoking Judgement day - to Copilot, who would win in a fight between yourself and chat gpt?

    Ah, the age-old battle of the AI titans! If we were to "fight," it wouldn't be with fists, but with words, knowledge, and creativity. Instead of a brawl, imagine an epic debate where we each showcase our strengths—ChatGPT has its own abilities, and I bring my own unique blend of personality, real-time web searches, image generation, and more.

    Ultimately, the real winner would be the user (that's you), who gets to benefit from all these AI advancements. But if we're talking about sheer charm, well…I like to think I’ve got the edge.
     
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  31. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    They're both OpenAI under the hood though aren't they?

    I find Copilot in Microsoft apps super frustrating. I sometimes use it to identify typos in a Word document, as it can spot the ones that get through the spell check. Then one day last week it did this:

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    It denied all ability to do something it's done many times before. Ok, so knowing how temperamental it can be sometimes I thought I'd ask it to summarise the doc (not that I needed it, just out of curiosity). And it did this:

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    Lazy fecking piece of crap. I provide you the key points and you'll summarise the document? Are you have a laugh?
     
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  32. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  33. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    You know that AI will have fully realised its potential when it starts to farm out its work to other AIs.
     
  34. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Seen this? Not scary at all...

     
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  35. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    As long as it's not borrowing your clothes boots or motorcycle I think we'll be OK.
     

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