The Euros - Germany '24

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by With A Smile, May 14, 2024.

  1. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    I understand people disliking him but I really think it is a stretch to claim that he is the 'luckiest manager in international history to have lasted in his role for so long' when you see what he has achieved in major tournaments..

    As for the second sentence, we may well find out soon!
     
  2. bash

    bash Academy Graduate

    Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere (I have looked) - maybe even on this thread, but does anyone know which WFC players will be involved?
    I'm fairly sure of Porteous and Chakvetadze, other than that perhaps Sema is on the Swedish bench? Is there anyone else?
     
  3. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Just those two. Sweden didn't qualify and Bachmann's not been picked for Austria's squad.
     
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  4. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    No doubt Bachmann will soon be complaining about that in the Austria media .
     
  5. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    In fairness we were the better team against France in the world cup and you can't legislate for Kane missing a pen. Italy I admit was his fault as we didn't press home our advantage when we should have done. Maybe he's learning
     
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  6. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    He should never have got the job in the first place!!!

    What did he do in football management to earn the job???

    Sweet F A :mad:
     
  7. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well I think you are right.

    Done a solid job and got a squad playing for each other at least .

    But people always want that bit more .

    And probably football Keegan style - all out attack .


    Who would you have had ?

    I mean Big Sam was the one but messed it up .
     
  8. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    To be honest with you I can't remember who else was on the scene when he got the job.

    However, as I've said before he has wasted the unbelievable talent he has had at his disposal, and virtually any half decent manager would have won 3 or 4 major trophies with the players he has misused!!!
     
  9. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    I think we will win the tournament. France are the only team who really worry me (maybe Portugal on their best day) of the other sides, and we battered France for 60 minutes at the World Cup.

    Southgate is a much better manager than a lot of people give him credit for and I think he’s been unusually decisive (I accept he’s generally very conservative) with his squad selection. I think Wharton looks to be a cracking little player and could fill the gap left by Grealish’s omission for a tricky midfielder to win us yards and earn free kicks.
     
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  10. The Whoosh Magnet

    The Whoosh Magnet Academy Graduate

    With Porteous in defence I can't see past Scotland winning the whole thing
     
  11. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Not if Ismael is in charge!
     
  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    I noticed he wasn’t in the last game so only going to be a sub ?
     
  13. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Not wanting to risk their star player ?
     
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  14. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Just not sure I understand the blind optimism towards England. We do have a quality midfield, but the defence is average and the only quality forward we have is Kane. Think we should get out of the group and knocked out around the quarter final stage
     
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  15. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    It’s not ‘blind’ optimism though, is it, because as you concede, we have several very strong players by Euro standards, It was ‘blind’ optimism in something like 2014.
     
  16. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    I would say blind in that we always big up our chances. It happens every single tournament, and we have no track record e.g never got beyond the QF outside of England. Happy to be proved wrong though
     
  17. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Perhaps overhyped but tbh I’m not really getting that vibe this time: have yet to see a single car with the flags…
     
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  18. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Every manager we've had since Sir Alf has wasted talent. We only qualified for the World Cup once in 70's! I think GT probably had the worst selection of players. Southgate has got us to a semi final and a final. Nobody has ever done that. The problem is in this country we think we are better than everybody else and we simply are not.
    We will win this tournament though
     
  19. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    :rolleyes:
     
  20. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I know, I know. I just have a feeling about this one
     
  21. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Entirely agree with all of that.
    The Premiership and our press blinds people I think into thinking England will win, every single time, every tournament it goes the same way
    You cant easily win a tournament against Continental/South American teams without a good defence.
    Ours is alright. Bellingham is good and so is Kane, that's it for the team. Nothing so special that we are set to win. Keepers especially weak for the level.

    We always, always fall down to better tactical mentalities and styles of play to Continental/Latin teams. The manager is somewhat to blame but I think it goes deeper its about how our players play as an identity. Even under foreign coaches we couldn't get the Englishness out of the team.

    We will struggle through to the quarters and go out. At any given tournament there is always 3-4 teams better than us and more likely to win.
    Everyone will be in disbelieve, blame the manager and we repeat with no lessons learnt.

    Id happily eat my words though
     
  22. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    I do think our does look pretty weak tbh and can be caught out by a top team - I mean Iceland had a few effort themselves.

    Had us to reach the semis if we win the group but if we come 2nd could be Germany in the 2nd round and they will be very keen for revenge.
     
  23. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    As always we will play in a totally passionless way, play like 11 strangers, play hundreds of square balls across the back giving players and supporters kittens, go forward with absolutely zero pace and zero movement in the front line, struggle to score when we need to but score at will when we are already 2 up....etc
     
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  24. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    I think basically everyone is hoping we can out score everyone else with the "world class" attack we have and hope the defence hold out.
     
  25. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    England didn’t qualify at all in the 1970s. In fact we either didn’t, or didn’t need to, qualify between the tournaments for 1962 and 1982.
     
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  26. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I forgot we automatically qualified for 1970! That's a pretty horrendous record hence I actually think Southgate has done pretty well. Our defence is easily our weak area
     
  27. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck First Year Pro

    If most of the Platinum nations are much of a muchness then it will come down to which
    striker hits form and dare I say it . Set pieces .
     
  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Completely different times though. Euros used to be 8 teams, World Cup 16. I preferred it as it makes the qualifiers difficult and important and the finals have high quality groups.
     
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  29. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck First Year Pro

    TBF it was tough to qualify back then with only a 16 team tournament .
    1978 for example either ourselves or Italy were going to miss out .
    1974 we just could not score against Poland apart from a penalty. I don't know what the xg would have been
    Something around the 4s or 5s I should imagine

    As for Southgate I don't think he will be really appreciated until he is no longer boss much like Bobby Robson who received dogs abuse when he was manager but I do concede that against Croatia and Italy
    he was out thought by the opposition's manager after we we had made bright starts.
    As for France we were the better side unfortunately Kane blazed a penalty over and there was a foul
    in the build up for one of their goals. S**t happens I suppose .
     
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  30. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck First Year Pro

    Unfortunately it is all about selling TV rights at the expense of quality
     
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  31. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    As we will see when the World cup becomes 48 teams!

    I think they have scrapped the 3 team groups idea though

    Certainly I feel GT would have liked the sort of qualifying groups we get now - would have made his life much easier.
     
  32. reids

    reids First Team

    Very surprised Dunk got the callup over Tomori or even Branthwaite.
     
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  33. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Certainly the Southgate way..f....ing useless
     
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  34. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Not that much easier to qualify out of UEFA now tbf, there were 12 teams in 1994, in 2026 there will be 16. Think the last World Cup showed that the teams from continents apart from Europe and South America are not to be sniffed at (African qualifying in particular is highly competitive, none of the quarter-finalists at the most recent AFCON even made it to the World Cup, and there were some continental heavyweights who didn't even make it that far), but the new World Cup format, whether it's the original proposal of 3 team groups, or the Euros-like format of 12 groups of 4 and 8 3rd placed teams progressing, it's just not as exciting as the format from 1998-2022
     
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  35. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I saw some poor sap driving around with England flags attached to the windows of his car today. When will people learn? Another national humiliation is about to unfold. We won't make it out of the group. Lose, draw, draw. Sack Southgate now and get 'arry Redknapp and Fat Sam in for a month while there's still time
     
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