The Elephant In The Forum - Left And Right Mixed Up

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by HenryHooter, Oct 10, 2021.

  1. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I think most people are ignoring me, so not expecting much of a reply.

    Can someone explain why left leaning members on this forum, since Brexit, have been making the strongest and sometimes very aggressive arguments that…

    1. It has been undesirable for Brexit to raise the working mans wages, because

    2. it will lead to inflation (in order to pay reasonable wages - a very reasonable observation, but traditionally an excuse of the right, rather than an argument of the left).

    3. The tories are thieving robber barons for raising taxes to mitigate the cost of furlough, the uplift, etc., following COVID.

    4. Corporate interests should be put before the interests of UK workers (access to cheap labour through free movement).

    5. Worst of all, the left, on here, have suggested that the UK exploit low paid EU workers, and reserve high skilled work for the British (ubermench?) as an ongoing national policy. How can such an abomination of extreme nationalism seriously be put forward by the left, and not expect the strongest of criticism?

    Whilst the right have been calling for an end to the exploitation of cheap labour an increase in workers wages, and an acceptance of the fact the books must be balanced.

    Please can someone explain how this has happened? And why people on the left, these days, seem to have so many unpleasant and extreme right wing views? That galvanise the right into pleading for moderation.

    This is a serious question. Why is the left making arguments for the exploitation of workers, decrying the use of taxes to help pay for supporting the population during COVID, and siding with big business, and even creeping into the realms of Nationalism?

    All these arguments can be found, posted by left leaning members and challenged by right leaning members, on this forum. This query is legitimate.
     
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  2. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Good question.

    Can those on the right also now explain why they suddenly support the government in their views on protectionism, big state, increasing red tape and being anti-business?

    I expect both sides have generally followed party lines, mostly based on their views of Brexit, and cognitively disassociated themselves from the complete shift in ideology.
     
  3. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I don’t. I have completely rejected the Conservative party in its current state. I despair. Big state. High tax. Anti business. Anti EU. And incompetent to boot.
     
  4. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I am supporting this lot because I am a bit of a lefty at heart, but very averse to extremism and I believe that capitalism, with a conscience is a good thing.

    I am not at all averse to the Conservatives leaning so far to the left at the moment, particularly with COVID. And if Labour could ditch the extremists nutters, and leave them to survive on their own merrits (rather than leaching on the party that is supposed to represent the common man) I would be happy to vote for them, as I have before.

    The most optimistic I have ever been about politics was in 1997, when Blair promised a third way. The dissapoitment of what followed has shaped my opinion ever since.
     
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  5. hornmeister

    hornmeister Club Legend

    Much the same, apart from the EU point.
    Although I'm anti being in the EU (in the form it is currently and in the direction it is going) I'm not Anti EU as a whole or Anti co-operating with the EU. Much of me thinks that the anti EU stance probably was needed to push through the final hurdle but this sentiment needs to be reigned back in now to ensure we can work with them proactively to make the best of our oportunities being out. Bit of an aside may be.

    To get it back on the original topic though any left leaners wanting to comment on the original questions? Personally I want to see another government in, but one which has a leader with a plan. Starmer deeply unimpresses me.
     
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  6. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I would genuinely like to hear an explanation from the left. I think that miked2006's post above does in part explain it, but the response from those on the right seems more plausible, two saying they do not defend the Government's switch to the left, and one saying they are a bit of a lefty anyway, so have no problem with left leaning policies.

    But it clearly is, for some posters, an Elephant in the forum.
     
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