The B Word

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by sydney_horn, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Or both?
     
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  2. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Time will tell.

    Twitter will not.
     
  3. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    I mean, surely the Express is trying to serve Boris by trying to get people to talk about Brexit, rather than corruption and sleaze. The former is his bread and butter. If I were his aide, I'd be trying to get everyone to talk about Brexit. Cue posturing with France, in the hope that they take the 'bait' and give the tabloids a nice French fisheries story to hide behind.
     
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  4. Must admit I missed that take. You're probably right.
     
  5. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Actually a few of us were discussing this at hockey. Who benefits from this - it's not the 'discredited' Cummings. To be part of de Pfeffel's cabalinet two things are required absolute loyalty to both him and 'his' project (BREXIT) and his patronage is guaranteed - this is shown by the 'talent' he's assembled and the sanctions/scrutiny they've faced (even Javid's resignation was only for a short while and I assume paterson will be handed a juicy CEO position that's in the government's gift such as a QUANGO or NHS).

    M'Lord Frost is one of the kool-aid drinkers, but he must have come to realise that his name is going to be forever attached to the treaty which may lead to the resumption of armed conflict within the UK let along the economic fallout of 'his' work.

    For all the bluster about it being the 'Frost' treaty it had to be signed-off by, ultimately, de Pfeffel.
     
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  6. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Yes, definitely Johnson's responsibility.

    My question was more about what Cummings was trying to say.

    Of course saying Johnson is an ignorant fool that didn't even understand the CU & SM as recently as October 2020 is not a good look for a "normal" PM. But this PM is a "lovable fool" according to his supporters so how shocking or damaging is this "revelation" really?

    I would have thought, if anything, it paints Cummings as even more of a devious and undemocratic force than many people thought.

    He's basically admitting that he pushed a democratically elected PM and Government down a path they neither understood or wanted because he realised they were ignorant and, as such, under his control. That is tantamount to treason in my humble opinion.

    If anyone still respected Cummings before this revelation surely they can't now?
     
  7. You've appear to have mis-spelt "boasting" as "admitting".
     
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  8. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    A good analogy to Cummings' output is the ISIS magazine 'Dabiq'. Pages and pages of impenetrable text that's 'read' by deluded followers who think "Wow! I don't understand this fully which means whoever wrote is a genius...."

    FWIW I think he's got some interesting anecdotes to sell because of his time at the top table but few people are buying them. What's readily overlooked about him is his 'colourful' past - most notably his time in Russia the country that is de Pfeffel's Tory party's Achilles Heel.
     
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  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Tariffs on steel imposed by Trump when we were still in the EU won’t be lifted by 1 January. The US has struck a deal with the EU to remove the tariffs but for obvious reasons that deal doesn’t apply to us. And, in the words of our trade minister:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59597310
     
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  10. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Well, that can't be roight. I thought we were supposed to be front of the queue?
     
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  11. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    So very predictable.
     
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  12. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    And so very was predicted.
     
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  13. Frostyballs has resigned. Ostensibly over "plan B".
     
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  14. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Of course. Nothing to do with backing down to the French on fishing licences, backing down to the EU over ECJ involvement in the NIP or having his bluff called over Article 16. No sir.
     
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  15. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Probably caught at a party last Christmas too.
     
  16. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  18. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Spot the difference:

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  19. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  20. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

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  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Obligatory when discussing Trussing.

     
  22. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

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  23. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

  24. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Make that Downside #441 then.
     
  25. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Good point well made.
     
  26. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

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  27. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  28. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Now that we are having 8 new mini-Nightingales, I guess this will mean that the Brexit dividend will only have to fund 32 new hospitals over the next few years?
     
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  29. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    If you have a few quid in the bank ,and all that ,then swanning around gentrified areas of Europe must seem like a good deal . #VoteRemain
    If you are poor and living day to day on the edge then ,"living and working in Europe" and all the bolox
    means fugg all .
    Affluent people expecting and criticizing poor people for not voting for affluent people's benefit
    are an absolute joke and I shall forever and a day coat them off.
     
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  30. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    That’s not even true though. The mildly adventurous less well off have made a sunny living out of Europe’s tourism for years, whether running bars, tour-guiding or working in property. That’s been hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people since we joined (let alone all the other industries and opportunities Brits take up).

    Odd that the less well off from Europe can work out how to get to the UK, but according to Brexiteers, their own countrymen and women are too daft to make it to the continent.
     
  31. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I'd have sympathy for your view if Brexit meant the life of the poor and working class would be better for it.

    But there is absolutely no evidence for that. In fact the opposite is far more likely.

    The latest figures show that wage growth is starting to stagnate as inflation continues to grow:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2021/12/how-uk-wages-are-stagnating

    And the wage growth is largely sector specific anyway with large numbers of working people, especially in the public sector, having to suffer real term wage falls as inflation rises.

    A much better solution to low pay poverty is to increase the minimum wage, something that the government could always have done within the EU.

    And those that believed that cheap foreign labour was the problem are likely to be disappointed anyway. The government are already negotiating with India to relax visa rules for Indian workers to come to this country as part of a trade deal.

    It's not something I would have a problem with as we need workers as our population continues to age. But, when these negotiations are taking place at a time when some Tory voices are calling for deregulation and opting out of the ECHR, it's not difficult to see the direction of travel.

    If we do cut workers rights and allow workers from developing nations to work here more freely then the rich are only going to get richer and the poor will have no EU rights to protect them. They will have to compete with an influx of workers happy to accept low pay and conditions.

    And, btw, the rich won't have any problems swanning around EU countries anyway. It's the students, retirees and workers that have now found that the dream of living abroad has become more difficult if not impossible.

    If you have ₹500,000 to buy a property in Spain you can get a "golden visa" to live there for example. The poor are not welcome anymore.
     
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  32. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    I'm not claiming anyones life is better regardless of how you vote.
    My beef is with those who claim everyone's life would be better if they voted the same way as them
     
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  33. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Oh come on Moose, I am not talking about those who can run a bar in Torremelinos
    Some people are so disadvantaged that they have never left the community that they have always lived in. You are better than this .
     
  34. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Brexiteers did (and do) exactly the same thing, not sure what your point is?

    Strong adherents to any political position will always say that. The vast majority of people know politics is a compromise (I think).
     
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  35. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    That’s quite a lot of people and there are always those who use the opportunities they have to leave the circumstances they are in. Those opportunities have shrunk.

    The communities you speak of need direct assistance for sure, but restricting opportunities doesn’t help them. You’ve gambled that those who have constructed their disadvantage over hundreds of years are now their saviours.
     

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