The B Word

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by sydney_horn, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Well it’s done to a crisp now.

    NAI SURENDAH TA HEY YOU CONDIMONTS!

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  2. Morrisons who refuse to stock the New European because it's "too political"?
     
  3. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

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    Moose First Team Captain

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  5. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Yeah, yeah, but in 20 years, when I'm dead, and we're importing stuff from Australia instead of Spain and paying more for it, who's going to have the last laugh?
     
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  6. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    To be honest, I don't think the US will react beyond statements of condemnation should the UK trigger article 16.

    However I think the EU will follow through on their threats to impose tariffs, controls and perhaps even suspend the TCA completely.

    It will be a slow process though so hopefully there is still time for calmer heads to reach an agreement before the UK economy is totally fecked and peace in NI is destroyed.
     
  7. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

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    Moose First Team Captain

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  9. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  10. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Which means 43.5% didn't vote leave but lose out just the same. They are the ones I really feel sorry for.
     
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  11. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

  12. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I feel sorry for them all.

    Cornwall has a very low average income. It’s not surprising that Brexit’s duplicitous offer tempted them because the previous system wasn’t delivering nearly enough.

    Cornwall suffered through multiple blows of globalisation, second home ownership, austerity. It’s foodbanks do a roaring trade.

    Sadly Brexit has only made it worse. Hopefully the Cornish people will be revolted by the antics of Brexit MPs like Cox in Devon and give a big **** you to Westminster Parties. Because ultimately Westminster has caused its immiseration.
     
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  13. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Except of course Cornwall will be £99 million down in 2021/2 & IF they subsequently receive the full previous funding of £100 million per year, that will account for 25% of the entire annual budget set aside for this new SPF vehicle. Doesn't seem like the figures add up to me.
     
  14. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

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  15. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    If nothing more happens. But something more is likely to happen, even according to the article itself. The scare mongering is based on a very provisional estimation based on the very earliest cases of funding.

    That is what I read anyway.
     
  16. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The earliest cases of funding relating to a situation that has been in place for at least 2 years. I’m sure it fills everyone impacted with a lot of confidence
     
  17. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    It's just teething problems.
     
  18. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Yes. Like your face.:rolleyes:
     
  19. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    :confused:
     
  20. He dropped a clanger.

    I thank you.
     
  21. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    If what you describe is the problem, then it would be the story.

    Clearly the situation is something else, as is described in the article.

    The story can be held to account, and so it clears up the misinformation in the headline, but the headline was deliberately written to be used for misinformation. If you don’t believe me, take a look at the OP again, which states that £100m has become £1m.

    The intention speaks for itself, as does the article when it clears up the fact that it does not mean what the OP states as fact.

    And what makes you think the EU is not still making payments? Commitments of funding, paid for by our membership fees, will continue for years, just as our payment commitments to the EU will continue.
     
  22. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The headline is conditional, not absolute, in its tone, but still.
    I have not as yet found any suggestion that EU will continue funding UK areas in this way after the current period ends, so 2023. Maybe you have something to hand that shows such payments will 'continue for years'. If so, I'd appreciate the link.
    I still read the article as suggesting there are two possible outcomes:
    1. Cornwall does not receive as much from the SPF as from the EU
    2. If it does, it will then be receiving a surprisingly high proportion of the SPF budget, which obviously implies other areas will be negatively impacted.
     
  23. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    2021-2023 = 2 years.

    Don’t tell me it doesn’t until it hasn’t. Ask me again in 2023. This funding is organised years ahead and goes on for years.

    You have already accepted the OP was incorrect and misleading, which was my only point, so why are you now attempting to argue with me about things I have not said?
     
  24. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    I have not 'accepted' it was incorrect and misleading. In point of strict 'fact' the headline was totally correct: some councillors in Cornwall do fear the previous levels of funding received from the EU will not be matched by the UK government's new mechanisms. Your point really seems to turn on your belief that those councillors are scare-mongering for their own ends...it could of course be that seeing the obvious gap (in many areas) between what was said would be the result of leaving the EU and what those results currently seem to be, that those fears are not entirely groundless, whatever may be said by the government.

    I have seen no evidence of any EU funding going beyond 2023 at best; on the contrary, the article itself states that Cornwall will have no further access to the EU funding. Until I am made aware of any such evidence, I will retain the viewpoint that such funding will cease.

    The fears of the councillors seem to centre on the fact that they do not believe the government will be willing to allocate Cornwall such a disproportionately high percentage of the SPF that it would match the funds received from the EU. Their position seems reasonable and raising their concerns now should not be viewed as anything other than entirely sensible in the context of their role to protect the interests of those they have been elected to represent. Waiting until 2023 to see how things pan out would be tantamount to a dereliction of their duty.
     
  25. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I think you should re-read my posts. Until you post something that indicates you have done so I'll avoid replying to you on this.
     
  26. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    The only place I have come across anyone even talking about Brexit is on here, so although I cannot deny it is the case, I would be very surprised to find it is.

    Practically everyone I have spoken to, quite reasonably, are blaming COVID for our woes, and no one I know has even mentioned Brexit for many, many months.
     
  27. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

  28. Loads for me. Geographical?
     
  29. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    It's working now. They must have been having technical problems.
     
  30. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  31. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Good to see irony is not dead.
     
  32. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I'm not sure what Cummings is trying to prove here.

    Ok, if Johnson was totally ignorant of the damage that leaving the CU and SM would be to the UK economy then that is disgraceful (if not that surprising).

    But in doing so Cummings is admitting that he did know the negative impacts of leaving the CU and SM but pushed them through using a gullible and ignorant PM.

    Who is the real villain here?

    I notice too that Cummings has tweeted that Brexit will look "beautiful" in 10-15 years. It's the ramblings of a madman.
     
  33. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    De Pfeffel is totally responsible as he made the 'final call' - not the advisors but the decision maker(s). That's something of a concept his cabal are slowly coming to terms with "...power and responsibility..."

    There's an interesting (and lengthy) debate on that twitter thread concerning whether de Pfeffel is a moron or a fraudster...
     
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