Today's claim from the purveyors of sunlit uplands and free unicorn farms: And two posts further down the thread: https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1596122250796744709
I don't know if this has been seen already, but it do make I larf. The egregious Martin Daubney (ex editor of Titts Oot Fer The Lads or somesuch, turned Brexit Party MEP turned GBeebies presenter, smugly about to announce the results of a GB News poll "should we rejoin or stay out" without checking the numbers, and then he sees... https://twitter.com/MattLCapon/status/1594369207612891137
Margrit Fatcher and the miners circa 1984 . Where was the EU then ? . Shhhh! Meet the new boss . Same as the old boss . Stop selling snake oil you clown .
This is one of those moments where it's absolutely appropriate to say 'we told you so'. A huge portion of the arguments on here before the referendum were about trade with those supporting Remain repeatedly pointing out that cutting yourself off from the world's largest trading bloc was not going to be compensated by far flung trade deals. It was the most pie in the sky nonsense of all the arguments for Brexit and its proponents were repeatedly referred to the gravity model of trade that shows that you do more business with the countries closest to you. Yet ZZTop, Hornmeister and others knew better and told us all that we'd be free to negotiate better, bespoke deals that would unleash our export potential, despite ignoring the fact that Germany was *the* global export powerhouse whilst in the EU. It would be nice if people admitted they got it wrong, didn't understand the geo-political economics etc but I won't hold my breath. It'll all be 'this wasn't the Brexit I voted for' or complete silence. But that doesn't cut the mustard anymore. If you voted for Brexit on the basis of a boost to our economy through increased trade, you ****ed up. And all those patronising posts about how the experts had it wrong should be a source of shame. The damage to small businesses that had an EU market has been inestimable. Maybe you think it's still worth it for "sovereignty" but at some point you'll have to come to terms with the fact you've caused untold damage to our economy and future generations.
It's would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous. All across the EU, there are economies where unions are still strong and workers are relatively better paid than in the UK. There is a problem caused by globalisation and the subsequent deindustrialisation of advanced economies but to lay the blame solely at the doors of the EU is ridiculous. If anything, their protectionism has staved off the decline. Whether that's fair to the rest of the world is a reasonable question to ask but at some point we'll have to take responsibility for repeatedly voting in governments of all colours that have seen overseen a hollowing out of our manufacturing and a productivity problem that we had the power to address.
The EU wasn’t formed until 1993, so that’s a slightly baffling question. But in any case, the EU doesn’t interfere in the internal industrial disputes of member nations. Our Governments have been making all the decisions.
Who could have predicted where we are today? Spoiler: the whole world. https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1596811898820780033
A lot of the grievances from older people of my acquaintance prior to the vote were the sense that Britain had lost its manufacturing base, that cafes seemed to be staffed by foreigners. I remember having a conversation about how we used to have a thriving leather industry (!) and how we made our own clothes back in the day, made our own cars, produced our own food, and that we'd 'lost' ground in all these areas. This was with a fella who was wearing a GANT (Sweden / USA) pullover most likely made in Turkey or China; who drove a Korean car, who was at the time enjoying eating his pasta and proper parmesan cheese rather than the stuff you got here in the 70s which came in a cardboard tube and smelled of vomit. He couldn't see that the incredible boom in choice he's enjoyed was a result of opening the doors to foreign companies in every single sector and that rolling back to some imagined past where British was not only best and also somehow stood for sovereignty and autonomy is complete nonsense. British people like foreign stuff, they like going abroad, they like being a big, powerful economic and political player, and all of those things are diminished now. Now he likes to 'Buy British' at Aldi and Lidl – where the prices are extremely competitive (ie bad for British suppliers) and the profits all go to bolster the German economy. I have no problem with a German company making a big dent in the UK supermarket cabal if it benefits the people who actually provide the products as well as the customers but British (mostly English, if we're honest) people don't seem to be as bothered by the Middle Eastern and Russian buy-up of London as they are about the idea of a foreign person working in a cafe. The UK has sold and conceded its power and influence to the world. Kidding themselves they're no longer rule takers while selling off everything – industry, football clubs, health service, businesses – to foreign powers isn't exactly joined up thinking.
Roger sang it, but Pete Townsend wrote the lyrics. He couldn’t quite bring himself to write ‘hope I own a trout farm before I die’ however.
Great piece from the FT showing the evidence of how we are substantially poorer because of Brexit; https://www.ft.com/content/e39d0315-fd5b-47c8-8560-04bb786f2c13
And the real cost to consumers is becoming clear.... https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-to-uk-food-bills-in-two-years-research-finds
There are literally no economic benefits to Brexit, the only one that's continually cited is the 'fastest vaccine roll out in the world' which should be challenged. Yes, we started it quicker but it was only a few months until we were overtaken and then lagged behind most of the EU. At the most, we got a boost to the country's morale and a slight headstart on reopening the economy but there are no longer term benefits. But the problem with all this analysis is that people didn't want to listen to experts before and they certainly won't want to listen now to be shown they were wrong. It will all be: - Brexit was a good idea but has been implemented badly - you have to wait 15-20 years before the benefits come through - the economists are all biased - it's down to Covid and Ukraine rather than Brexit Would be good to hear from some of the people that spent hours on here arguing that Brexit would unleash our economy about where they're currently at and if anyone is big enough to admit they got it badly wrong.
How it started: Brexit will REDUCE food, wine and clothes costs by 20% - Rees-Mogg fires back at Remainers EXCLUSIVE: Leaving the European Union (EU) will reduce people’s food, wine and clothes bills by up to 20 per cent, said Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg. https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...xit-food-wine-clothes-shoes-lower-20-per-cent How it's going Brexit added nearly £6bn to UK food bills in two years, research finds Cost of food imported from EU rose because of extra red tape, with poorest most affected https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-to-uk-food-bills-in-two-years-research-finds
The only benefit that a net positive of people believe was because of Brexit was the "faster" (but ridiculously expensive) vaccine rollout: And even that isn't true... https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-did-not-speed-up-uk-vaccine-authorisation
The figures are a very closely guarded secret but some details have slipped out (my emphasis): Now bear in mind that the EU deal to buy the OAZ was the one our government explicitly said they wanted no part of. Also, remember that the original research for the OAZ vax (based on 'shelved' UK work for SARS/bird flu) was paid for by the UK government ("big pharma" isn't generally interested in vaccines as there are no long term revenue streams in them) as was the process development work (costs) for the mass manufacture as well as the actual cost for manufacturing (by AZ) were paid for directly by the UK government (aka "us") so that guesstimate the price per jab is for little more than, what's effectively, p&p (postage and packaging). There are figures floating about the internet suggesting that the OAZ rollout cost the UK government around £12 Bn but virtually everyone "at the coalface" (so to speak) think that's a very, very, very low number. All that crap from De Pfeffel about private enterprise commercial interests saving us are literally lies. OAZ's invention, development and manufacture were paid for with public money the private sectors input was just getting it to the vaccination centres (even the databases leading to invitations in the general population for the vaccinations were supplied by the NHS local trusts/CCGs).
Apparently everywhere in EU everything is wonderful No unemployment , energy crisis? what's that ? No riots no fugg all Interest rates ...stable .
And those "Engerlaand," football hooligans that are entirely our problem Well. *Cough* that stuff you see on the interweb/twatter about EU nice guys running amok at soccer grounds . All fake. Load of bolix . Vote #BeNice . Makes sense.
Yes, thanks to Covid & Putin, the whole world has got ******* over the last few years. And, thanks to Brexit, the UK has got even ******* than that. It's not difficult to understand.
