The All New Political Polling Thread

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Oct 21, 2021.

  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It would be electoral suicide to campaign against Brexit. The Tory vote is crumbling and right now a threat to Brexit and the renewed prospect of immediate free movement is just about the only thing that could regalvanise it.

    Remainers, like me, thought another pop at the Brexit question would inevitably have the Country come to its senses. We were spectacularly wrong and got Johnson instead. Starmer, in particular, was the architect of that failed strategy.

    Get these shysters out and then ‘make Brexit work’ by marginalising it and ensuring we develop good deal that restores much of what was lost. But more than that, convince voters that whatever the relationship with the EU, there will be housing and work for all.
     
  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The Covid restrictions also play to that base of nationalist, hairy-eared libertarians
     
  3. westbridgfordhornet

    westbridgfordhornet First Year Pro

    What a happy prospect you're offering here.

    Oi, Oi. Who wants some?
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  4. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Future PM?

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  5. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Penfold would be the better candidate, to be honest.
     
  6. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    You mean proportional representation ?
    I have just recalculated the 2016 referendum given your new data and ....remain has still lost .
    What " remain" needed was a 3rd option at the ballot in order to manufacture a win
    Democracy dead ? Not yet but some are quite happy to kill it off
    Sup up your beer and collect your fags ? Not anymore
     
  7. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    But if the referendum was on the basis of proportional representation then 48% of the government that implemented it should have been remain supporters. And those that voted remain or wanted a softer Brexit (i.e. in the SM and or CU) should have had an influence on the Brexit negotiations.

    But no. What we got was "we won so stfu" and the Tory government got rid of anyone in the parliamentary party who couldn't/wouldn't follow the hard line.

    The winner takes all consequences of FPTP elections and simple majority referenda leads to undemocratic outcomes. That is absolutely clear from the last 5+ years.
     
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  8. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    You don't like the outcome? You want to change the rules ?
     
  9. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    That's not what I said. You said democracy is nearly dead. I would agree. A system that needs less that 40% electorate support to have 100% control seems pretty undemocratic to me.

    And, btw, I supported PR and referenda on constitutional issues needing super majorities way before there were any outcomes to like or otherwise.
     
  10. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    You're wasting your time. :)

    FWIW, though, your point was easily understandable to anyone not looking to twist it into something it wasn't.
     
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  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Big lead, but not because Labour have yet cracked the big numbers.

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  12. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Has Boris performed a miracle and resurrected the Lib Dems?
     
  13. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    A ~1.5% jump nationally? Again as N. Shropshire showed national voting intention under our constituency system doesn't mean much:

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    EDIT: I'd be very interested when these are updated.
     
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  14. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Almost a 20% jump, brah! :D
     
  15. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  16. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Didn’t go Labour under Blair and won’t do so next time. A chance the Libs might pick it up, like in Shropshire, even though they have not done well in the past and generally been a distant third to Labour.

    The Labour vote is pretty much capped around the ‘Wood and bits of NW Watford.
     
  18. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

  19. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Andrea 'Loathsome' Leadsom* was on Matt Forde's podcast (from this summer) waxing lyrically about how de Pfeffel was "...at least a two term PM..."

    *Am I right in thinking that her 'City Career' was little more than HR/PR/marketing work for the family firm?
     
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  20. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  21. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Damning him with faint praise. He’s already in his second term isn’t he? Albeit the first was only 6 months.
     
  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Maybe she meant two school terms.
     
  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 38% (+1)
    CON: 28% (-5)
    LDEM: 13% (+3)
    GRN: 7% (+1)
    REFUK: 4% (-1)

    via @YouGov
     
  24. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Playing fantasy politics now. Gees.
     
  25. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    A few Tory MPs will be sweating on those figures this morning.

    I still think the May elections will make or break Johnson but, if the polls continue in their current direction, he might not make it that far.
     
  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Breakthrough numbers for Sir Starkers.

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  27. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

  28. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Odd comment. Clearly very concerning for many Tory MPs and therefore for Boris.
     
  29. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    If you find polling interesting, which I do, then it’s interesting. It was interesting when Johnson had 43% or more, a phenomenon if you will.

    It’s indicative of a mood, volatile for sure.
     
  30. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    It would be interesting if polls were ever even slightly accurate
     
  31. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    As soon as it's pointed out that a vote for Sir Keir is a vote for David Lammy as our new Foreign Secretary anyone thinking of switching their vote to Labour will fall back in to line. And then there's Angela Rayner...
     
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  32. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I think, come election time, this will become a catchy Conservative slogan.
     
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  33. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    100% control? Where do you get that from.

    All MPs, even under the whip, are perfectly able to vote with their conscience. In case people hadn't noticed, even with his massive majority in the house, Johnson is at risk of defeat.

    He has been deafeated four times since December 2019.

    100% my buttocks.

    Under PR, you give more power to crazy extremists, and, like in Europe, invite far right and far left loons to influence mainstream politics.

    PR opens the door to extremism. First past the post favours majority opinions.
     
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  34. I like both of them. Rayner is brilliant when she does PMQs, Boris ***** himself. She's sharp, and despite having pretty difficult early years, she has made it to Labour front bench. So she called Tories scum - who now would seriously disagree? David Lammy is a decent bloke - which Tory front bencher could you say that of ? Starmer has assembled a very strong front bench.
     
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  35. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Who’s the worst Foreign Secretary you can recall? How about Boris Johnson, who helped give the Iranians another excuse to keep Nazanin in jail or who ‘lost’ his security to go to a Russian sex party?

    I don’t think Lammy has anything to worry about when the comparison is made.
     

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