Splish Splash, I Was Having A Bath. Colston Statue Topplers Not Guilty

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  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Hooray! You can’t protect racist history, says the jury.

    Clive Lewis MP. “Today’s verdict makes a compelling case that a majority of the British public want to deal with our colonial and slave trading past, not run away from it. That’s important to understand and I hope it gives political leaders a little more confidence when it comes to challenging the ‘culture war’ our government is currently pursuing.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...edward-colston-statute?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
     
  2. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Although I believe that we, as a society, should remove statues that honour our colonial past, especially if those being honoured were racist, I think this verdict is a dangerous one.

    There are plenty of democratic and legitimate ways of deciding within a community what statues need removing and what should happen to them.

    Allowing the "mob" to decide is a dangerous precedent imho.
     
  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    ‘Democratic’ ways had been tried for years. One ‘mob’ was always getting its way.

    I think everyone knows this doesn’t set a precedent likely to be followed except in very extreme circumstances.
     
  4. A jury of 12 decided. It may well be that a future jury of a similar case decides the opposite and the perps go to jail for 10 years. (I wonder if Patel's draconian law had any influence on the jury "well, they did it, and it's not right, but it doesn't deserve 10 years in the big house")
     
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  5. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Apologies for my obvious error. The original song was ‘Splish Splash, I was taking a bath’.

    Here’s the original by Bobby Darin.

    I do like the YouTube comment below it that goes this makes me really excited to take a bath.

     
  6. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Damn, I was too late to correct you.

    Bobby Darin is great.
     
  7. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    I had a mate when I was about 12 who used to sing ‘Splish splash I was taking a sh*t’ and it was probably the funniest thing I’d ever heard at the time.
     
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  8. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Don't suppose you have baths in Leicester?
     
  9. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    The age of the yahoo is upon us
     
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  10. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Ridiculous ruling really. Not that I don't sympathise with the wish to remove the statue, but excusing minority mob vandalism sets a really stupid precedent.
     
  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Says man who cheered on anti-lockdown protestors…
     
  12. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s clear that people are capable of drawing a line.

    Statue of a Nazi? Leave that up if polite requests were ignored for years?
     
  13. Harefield Yellow

    Harefield Yellow First Year Pro

    While the views, attitudes and actions of some of our ancestors are clearly abhorrent by today's standards, the facts are you CAN'T change history to suit the modern narrative. Study history, learn from it, and (hopefully) don't make the same mistakes again.

    IMO, the jury have totally missed the point here, and effectively tried Colston rather than the individuals who chose to remove his statue.
     
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  14. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    It wouldn’t have been though, as there would be evidence that a clear majority would want it removed. AKA democracy.
     
  15. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Protesting peacefully is quite different to vandalising something because you don't like it. By all means take down the statues - but not like that
     
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  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Well many anti-lockdown protests have not been peaceful.

    And ‘by all means’, yes that’s what happens when all other means fail.
     
  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  18. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    So now people are allowed to break the law and go around smashing things up if the things that they vandalise and lob in to the harbour don't fit in with their 'values'? Like, I say, this really is the age of the yahoo
     
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  19. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    No, I think the law would probably stop most instances of it.
     
  20. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    So, how did this bunch get off? I think we need the finest legal minds on this.... calling @Keighley
     
  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Juries. And I think @Ghost of Barry Endean has a point.

    Let’s not pretend this is setting an actual precedent. The jury simply said ‘we’re not having it’ but there is no reasoning why convicting would have been wrong set forth by the judge.
     
  22. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Yes, but surely they should have been found guilty of criminal damage - or whatever it was they were being charged with - by the jury. It would then have been up to the judge to take into account their motives etc and, if appropriate hand down a light punishment or no punishment at all. They obviously broke the law and it is bizarre that they were acquitted - whatever you feel the statue represents.
     
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  23. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Not my field, guv. :D

    I was surprised by the verdict but I suppose it just goes to show that juries can be unpredictable (which can be useful in signalling to government that it may need to consider changing the law). It reminds me a bit of the jury acquitting Clive Ponting under the old Official Secrets Act.
     
  24. I wonder what the correlation is between people who think the statue of a murderous slave trader should be allowed to stand because of the benevolent things he did and people who want Blair stripped of his knighthood?
     
  25. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    A friend of mine was serving on the sub that sunk the Belgrano at the time. He's always said there was nearly a mutiny when the order came through to sink it
     
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  26. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I don't think anyone has said they'd prefer that the statue stayed. They'd just prefer it not to be removed by a frenzied mob
     
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  27. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Quite a few people on your side of the fence have argued long and hard about keeping such statues and have vilified peaceful and thoughtful relabelling or retelling, like that of the NT.

    The whole debacle is a result of conservatives not being willing to give an inch.
     
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  28. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    BO11OX
     
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  29. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Yes, it wouldn’t have been the likes of you that simply resisted everything BLM had to say and moaned about every gesture or demand.
     
  30. Legal, procedural attempts failed on multiple occasions because of establishment intransigence.
     
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  31. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    **fixed**

    A least that's what me son tells me @Keighley?
     
  32. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Certainly it went through the City Council on numerous occasions.
     
  33. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Council couldn’t get its act together to remove the statue of a multiple rapist/sex trafficker.

    Who did they not wish to offend?
     
  34. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

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