[SOLD] Samir

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by Burnsy, Jul 24, 2022.

  1. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    It's Robbo all over again.
     
  2. AshdonWFC

    AshdonWFC Prediction League Champion 2011/12

    Surely that figure isn’t right..?
     
  3. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett First Team

    I think you'll find the correct phrase is "that can't be roight?"
     
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  4. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    News da Bola
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    The deal between Watford and Tigres for the purchase of Samir was closed at € 6.5 million (about R$ 34.1 million). The deal should yield Flamengo something around R$850,000.
     
  5. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    So do we think we got him on a free from Udinese but in return inherited a sell-on clause to Flamengo they'd agreed?
     
  6. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Or we only loaned him from Udinese, lied about it, and he’s been to us this summer what Pussetto has been to Udinese. And the fee is heading in their direction…
     
  7. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    My recent trip to the zoo yielded a flamingo.
     
  8. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Didn't we get a couple of million out of the Sancho to United deal even though he didn't come directly from us? Is this a similar case here?
     
  9. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Reservist

    Wait till you get the bill.
     
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  10. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Sorry to wade in like that.
     
  11. Very small % of the fee TBF
     
  12. You don't have a leg to stand on.
     
  13. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Possibly. As @The undeniable truth says, it's a very small percentage (I misread initially the currency) and so it probably is just a cut of a cut. Though if he did move to us on a free from Udinese I can imagine Flamengo were quite pissed off at missing out the initial sell on. It sort of implies Udinese had a sell on clause inserted in the deal to us, otherwise where would the link back to Flamengo come in?

    ie. Watford get 6.5m euro, chuck a bit of that at Udinese because we agreed a sell on with them and then Udinese pay whatever sell-on fee percentage of that amount they agreed to Flamengo in the original transfer.
     
  14. VR94

    VR94 Academy Graduate

    Does seem very unlikely that we pocket the fee having taken him from Udinese for free as a favour a few months ago.
     
  15. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    This really does open a can of worms though. You could easily get around sell-on clauses when you own two clubs. You buy a player, could even have a 40% sell-on clause. You then sell to the other club you own, or even a free transfer, thus reducing or removing the sell-on fee completely.

    Obviously this is unethical, but probably not illegal. Having said that, it would be quite stupid of a selling club to not be aware of the arrangement between Watford and Udinese under the Pozzo's. So I would have thought any transfer with a sell-on clause to Watford or Udinese would be protected against that and a sell-on obligation is only viable once a transfer is made for the outgoing player to another club not owned by the Pozzo's. Hence why we paid Flamengo for selling Samir.
     
  16. All the same pockets m8 :)
     
  17. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Somebody paid actual real money for him?
     
  18. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I'm pretty sure it's a FIFA rule that states that the club(s) that trained a player from an early age get a small percentage of the fee, hence we got a few million from the Sancho deal to United (I believe we would have got one for his deal to Dortmund too, but that wouldn't have been worth too much). Besides, I don't think anything immoral has been done to Flamengo here, Udinese paid €4m to buy him, but had he been sold on the open market in January rather than given to us, it's not as if he'd have generated a large fee, even Tigres wouldn't pay that fee for someone whose contract was supposedly running out
     
  19. Well, Brazilian money....
     
  20. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    A Brazilian is quite a lot to be fair. Gotta respect the record fee, even if inflation is out of control.
     
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  21. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Reservist

    Brazil, nuts.
     
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  22. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Decent fee for him, no wonder the thread is so quiet and missing the usual suspects.
     
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  23. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    If it does go to us then yes a great fee. And even if it doesn’t the Masina fee offsets the Pussetto farce. So overall I would say intercompany dealings are on a more even keel so no complaints from me on that front as things stand.
     
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  24. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I don't see how it wouldn't go to us, as far as I know, you can't just 'donate' transfer fees to other clubs just because you fancy it. Still doesn't make up for Pussetto in my book, this was a player who wanted to leave Udinese, came to us when we needed a CB (that he wasn't good enough is beside the point), and was sold on for big money to a Mexican side with more money than sense, Pussetto was signed for us solely for the benefit of Udinese (I don't know enough about Udinese to say whether Masina is useful to them or not)
     
  25. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I imagine it probably does go to us, just noticed the percentage paid to his former club and some said maybe it was only a loan to us in the winter or that would have expired. But anyway even without that they bought Masina back at an inflated fee so swings and roundabouts on Pussetto.
     
  26. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Think the percentage that goes to Flamengo was because they were the ones that trained him, rather than a sell-on directly from Udinese.

    I don't know enough about Italian football to say how useful Masina and Pussetto are over there, but Masina at least pushed Holebas to his best form for us and proved a good Championship LB, Pussetto couldn't even cut it in the Championship, so based on their impact for us, we've still been short-changed!
     
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  27. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    I reckon Masina will be a regular starter for Udinese. He will be useful to them.
     
  28. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Even Success was wasn’t he to an extent !?
     
  29. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Bit of a strange post, because all it really does is highlight how bad most of our transfer dealings are if you’re calling out this post for being quiet.
     
  30. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Yes. Didn't Zeegalaar get a decent amount of playing time with them?
     
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  31. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Reservist

    I thought Pussetto was signed as cover for Sarr and Deulofeu as they were our only wide options.

    Sadly Geri got crocked and it turned out Pussetto couldn't hack it in English football.
     
  32. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    It shouldn't have come as much surprise that a man with the strength of a 12 year old boy wouldn't be able to hack English football, even in the short cameos he had in the Championship season he looked out of his depth
     
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  33. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Of only we'd had the benefit of watching Pussetto closely for a couple of years so we could assess if he'd be suited to English football.
     

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