Premier League 22/23

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by StuBoy, May 29, 2022.

  1. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    Excitingly for us all now that Nottingham Forest have risen back up to 'where they belong', the Premier League is starting to take a more 'proper' look and feel to it. It has a whiff of the 90's going on next season.

    Below is a list of the runners and riders. In brackets I have taken the liberty of putting in the teams that should be in the league instead of the teams they are next too, as they are all 'proper' clubs too.

    Arsenal
    Aston Villa
    Bournemouth (Blackburn Rovers)
    Brentford (Sheffield Wednesday)
    Brighton (Sunderland)
    Chelsea
    Crystal Palace
    Everton
    Fulham
    Leeds United
    Leicester City
    Liverpool
    Manchester City
    Manchester United
    Newcastle United
    Nottingham Forest
    Southampton
    Tottenham Hotspur
    West Ham United
    Wolverhampton Wanderers
     
  2. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    I reckon we’ll win it again next year.
     
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  3. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Don’t agree about Blackburn at all. They were always 2nd/3rd division in my youth until the injection of cash from Jack Walker, which was quite brief. Sunderland were always division ‘one and a half’ (a bit like Leicester). Sheff Wed - maybe; I’d certainly have them above Palace and Fulham historically.
     
  4. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    True, I don't disagree. I'm just comparing them with say a Bournemouth or Brighton for example, who some might say have even less top flight pedigree. Plus, football didn't exist before the Premier League right?
     
  5. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Quite right, the PL should only contain teams that have won the top division to ensure it only contains teams that are "where they belong"

    Teams that are there and should't be:
    Bournemouth
    Brentford
    Brighton
    Crystal Palace
    Fulham
    Southampton
    West Ham

    Teams that should replace them:
    Sunderland - 6 wins
    Sheffield Wednesday - 4 wins
    Huddersfield - 3 wins
    Blackburn - 3 wins
    Preston - 2 wins
    Derby - 2 wins
    Portsmouth - 2 wins

    Then we could rightly call it the best league in the world :rolleyes:
     
  6. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    More importantly, why is this thread not in 'General Football and Other Sport'?
     
  7. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    Realised that after I created it. Bad admin on my part. Will need a mods help to right this wrong.
     
  8. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    I remember when Swindon Town and Oldham Athletic were top division clubs. Proper football. :)
     
  9. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Anyone else reckon Slither will be gone by Xmas? He never lasted with us or Everton so will be interesting to find out.
     
  10. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    I would say that depends entirely on the Fulham owner. At some point in the season they will seem to be threatened by relegation, however mildly (like Brentford were), and then it’s how the owner reacts.
     
  11. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    The stats section of Football365 used to have a table of average league positions (along with useful stuff like record vs top/bottom half opposition, points dropped while winning/gained while losing), but they stopped updating it in 2002 and then the website stopped existing altogether. Since then I have calculated them a few times over the years (not many because it's really time-consuming and there's not much point doing it too often as the positions would hardly change, but every five or so years is fine, as upwardly mobile clubs like Swansea and Brighton and teams that go on massive downward spirals like the Scum and Grimsby can go up or down a fair few places), the most recent being up to the end of the 2020-21 season. I think it's a reasonable way of comparing sizes of clubs and the most consistent given that luck can play quite a part in cup wins and, except for the very biggest clubs, crowds can be up and down. Here's the top 20:

    1 Liverpool
    2 Arsenal
    3 Everton
    4 Manchester United
    5 Aston Villa
    6 Tottenham
    7 Chelsea
    8 Manchester City
    9 Newcastle
    10 Sunderland
    11 West Brom
    12 West Ham
    13 Leeds
    14 Blackburn
    15 Derby
    16 Wolverhampton
    17 Middlesbrough
    18 Sheffield Wednesday
    19 Leicester City
    20 Sheffield United

    Surprisingly, Forest aren't in it (they're between Birmingham and Stoke in 23rd), Sunderland, West Brom and Blackburn look too high, but most of the rest look accurate enough. While some may find the overhyping of Forest in the media to be annoying, I don't think anyone would consider Sheffield United to be a bigger club than them - their post-war trophy count (only counting trophies of note) is actually comparable to any of the bigger clubs outside the top six, with just one less than Leeds, Wolves and Leicester, equal to Villa and more than West Ham, Newcastle and Everton.
     
  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Where are we?
     
  13. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    44th, having recently (would take too long to work out when that was) snuck up above our friends up the M1 in 46th - not that long ago, you could argue that we were punching above our weight just by being in the Championship, but this proves (just) that we no longer are.

    Might as well show the rest of the table - I included Notts County and Bury (who are surprisingly high) despite them being respectively non-league and dormant at the time, and excluded those out of the then 92 league clubs that hadn't been in the league for long (like Salford, Harrogate, Forest Green etc).

    21 Bolton
    22 Birmingham
    23 Nottingham Forest
    24 Stoke
    25 Southampton
    26 Burnley
    27 Ipswich
    28 Preston
    29 Portsmouth
    30 Charlton
    31 Fulham
    32 Huddersfield
    33 Norwich
    34 Coventry
    35 Queens Park Rangers
    36 Blackpool
    37 Crystal Palace
    38 Cardiff
    39 Bristol City
    40 MK Dons/Wimbledon
    41 Barnsley
    42 Hull
    43 Notts County
    44 Watford
    45 Millwall
    46 Luton
    47 Bury
    48 Oldham
    49 Swansea
    50 Brighton
    51 Grimsby
    52 Wigan
    53 Reading
    54 Plymouth
    55 Bradford
    56 Brentford
    57 Rotherham
    58 Swindon
    59 Leyton Orient
    60 Bournemouth
    61 Bristol Rovers
    62 Walsall
    63 Port Vale
    64 Oxford
    65 Tranmere
    66 Lincoln
    67 Crewe
    68 Shrewsbury
    69 Southend
    70 Carlisle
    71 Gillingham
    72 Peterborough
    73 Doncaster
    74 Burton Albion
    75 Northampton
    76 Scunthorpe
    77 Colchester
    78 Wycombe
    79 Mansfield
    80 Rochdale
    81 Exeter
    82 Cambridge
    83 Stevenage
    84 Accrington Stanley
    85 Cheltenham
    86 Morecambe
     
  14. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Interesting work. The only slight flaw I see with it as a measure of ‘bigness’ is that, by including every season from the start of the league, it gives a little bias to the northern clubs that were the first to turn professional. They had a head start success-wise, hence Blackburn for instance looking a little high in the table. Once things settled down the big city clubs started to gain a natural dominance over the ‘town’ clubs.
     
  15. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    Fixtures out today, interesting start for Muff. Away to City and Liverpool, plus home games against Arsenal, Villa and Wolves in their first 5.

    Nice to see a team like Forest in there now, and not the likes of Watford, Burnley and Norwich. Tin pot clubs one and all.
     
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  16. Yes. Good to see the cream rise to the top. If the prem can replace Brave Brentford and Brave brave Muff with Birmingham and Sunderland they can pull up the drawbridge and get the hot tar ready up in the turrets.
     
  17. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Good to see the charming Pogba considered Man Utd's offer of £300k per week "nothing".

    Not worth £50k a week if you ask me. Dreadful player to have in your squad.
     
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  18. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Birmingham?!:eek:
     
  19. Bigger gates and history than Muff or Brentford. Name a bigger champ side for next season !
     
  20. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    West Brom, Blackburn, Derby, Middlesbrough, Sheff Wed, Sheff U and Bolton all rank higher historically according to Football365 earlier in this thread. (Obviously not all these are currently in the Championship.) Stoke and Burnley not far behind.
     
  21. Well WBA, Blackburn, Sheff Utd, or Mboro or indeed Birmingham ( derby, SW and Bolton couldn’t be promoted to prem next season). All bigger than us, Brentford and Muff so welcomed with open arms by the prem.
     
  22. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    Pedantically speaking, that’s according to something I worked out myself, based on what Football365 did 20 years ago. Though I imagine the order hasn’t changed much because apart from Bolton (who have been above Birmingham all this time) none of those clubs have been up and down the divisions that much. I’ve never considered Brum a particularly big club - most would consider them a yo-yo club at best who’ve only won one trophy of note in modern times, with the second tier being their natural level.
     
  23. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    I’ve just read that Aston Villa are planning to redevelop Villa Park and some of the surrounding area. The Trinity Road stand will be enhanced and the North Stand rebuilt, bringing capacity to over 50,000.
    It was the first ‘big’ ground I went to in the 70s as a student in Brum and the north end (opposite the Holte) was an open terrace. The North Stand was built a year later using the then modern ‘goalpost’ design, which has two large pillars on the outside edges of the stand with a beam between them supporting the roof - so no posts obstructing the view in the seats. Now they’re knocking it down. How to make you feel old. :(
     
  24. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Timeline (provisional):

    Planning permission will go in in August. The Brookvale academy site will be complete by July of 2023 - the work there has started already

    The Academy building will be demolished in July/Aug 2023, and the current North Stand will be demolished in October 2023, followed by the ticket office.

    Phase 1 complete by the start of the 2025/26 season. The new North stand will hold 13,200 with just over 2,000 of those being hospitality. Both the Trinity and new North Stand will be getting open balcony style hospitality areas in the middle of them.

    As per the image above, the new stand will have two tiers and the seating is very much like the seating in the Holte . Inside the stand will be four levels (see pic above), with the lower concourse being triple height, with glass at the front and back to give the concourses plenty of natural light. The Trinity will be extended around so that the middle tier meets the new stand, but not the top tier (which is to protect residents' light on Nelson Road). This wrap round will add a few hundred seats to the Trinity capacity.

    The players tunnel will move to the corner of the ground between North and Trinity, with new player facilities in the new North Stand. Capacity while the North stand is demolished and rebuilt will be reduced to around 35k for that 18 month period. How the club manages ticketing during that time will need quite a bit of thought. On the the Box Park "Villa live" - it will have restaurants, bars and a big room in the middle that will also be used for gigs - for gigs it will be able to hold 2,800 people.

    The club are paving Witton Lane from the traffic island up to the Doug Ellis stand and down also Station road, so that on match days there is no traffic and it will feel like a public square - there will be a subway at the end of station road linking the Brookvale academy as a match day facility.

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  25. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Thomas Strakosha, Aaron Hickey, Keane Lewis Potter all in at Brentford. Fantastic business. Oh what could have been.
     
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  26. We CAN still catch them.
     
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  27. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Oh really? Could be great news for us because he was linked with Man Utd. They might be forced back in for Bachmann.
     
  28. Heidar

    Heidar Reservist

    Ten Hag been given permission to recreate Ajax.

    I love that Ajax team, does this mean I'm going to have to like Man Utd? :|
     
  29. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Good business - they should be fine again this season.
     
  30. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    I am going to put Arsenal in my accumulator for division winners. Unlikely, but somehow I think they are the most likely to create an upset.
     
  31. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Have you learnt nothing? Never rely on Arsenal.
     
  32. On the contrary. You can safely rely on Arsenal to fail.
     
  33. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    UAE set to sign Emilio Lawrence from Everton.

    Even clubs like Everton are nothing anymore but also rans.
     
  34. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Licha Martinez is a fabulous player. His intelligence and composure on the ball are superb. Can play further up the field, launch attacks from deep, has a winning mentality and is tough as a rock. I'm amazed by those questioning his aerial ability. Plenty of defenders who were not the tallest were strong aerially given how they anticipated and timed their jumps. Passarella and Cannavaro for instance. Personally I'd have him at DM.


     
  35. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    I know, but you get seduced by the odds.
     

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