Premier League - 2022/23

Harry and Megan?

 

Have to say I thought Troy was excellent on MoTD2 last night.

 

Wonder which team he means? Reunion with Potter who currently sit 4 places below Brighton? Or Arsenal where he would likely be waiting patiently for Xhaka to get sent off.

 

It's a job to them.

Occasional long term servants but moving means more money!

 

Not sure how true this is but I heard he's on about 10k a week at Brighton, whilst he's hardly on the breadline (and it is ungrateful!) I imagine he'll get one hell of a payrise if he were to move!

 

We’ve all heard the recordings haven’t we.

 

PR wise - no one has heard anything from Greenwood during the process. The public until now didn't get to hear his side. Supposedly he and the girl are also now back together anyway.

There'll be public statements from Greenwood, maybe even a separate one from the girl, maybe even a joint statement from them, maybe even a curated interview - very apologetic, saying they're not wishing to make light from the issue, things were taken out of context etc. They may even announce their engagement.

This will then soften some public sentiment which until now has only seen the carefully selected leaks.

He'll be kept out of the limelight until the end of the season while chatter dies down, then brought back for the next pre-season.

 

A one-minute audio clip, cut without context from a 12-minute long full recording which wasn't released to the public.

Plus a clip of some fake blood. Plus photos of what may or may not be bruises, which could have been made by anyone.

Sure.

 

I know you always seemed to like Utd, but not this much.

The guy is clearly a complete wrongun who has only gotten away with it because he’s back with the girl who has miraculously now dropped the charges.

 

"Miraculously"?

Maybe she used the allegations to blackmail him in to staying with her, or to see how determined he was to stay with her? They'd had an on-off relationship in the months leading up to the document leaks. Even in the audio clip she seems most concerned with quizzing him on whether he would rather sleep with someone else than her or not.

The CPS also stated there was new evidence which came to light which meant they could not continue with a prosecution anyway (legally it was the CPS bringing charges by the way, the girl was acting as a witness, but then decided not to testify to anything).

Also, I'd be pointing these things out regardless of who the person played for - just look at the truth of what came to light about the girl who falsely accused Mendy at Man City of rape recently. Look at Amber Heard trying to stitch up Johnny Depp. You'd have to have your head in the sand to be oblivious to the possibility of these stunts being pulled.

 

Indeed. Although he really really enjoyed the VIP treatment at Old Trafford.

Completely unrelated and out of context I’m sure.

 

“It can now be reported that the court heard the complainant had wished to retract her accusations as long ago as April and she attended the hearing sat alongside Greenwood’s family.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...stigation-decide-Mason-Greenwoods-future.html

 

Can’t think why

 

Yes, sadly happens often in domestic abuse cases.

He’s rightly innocent of the charges in the eyes of the law but his employer may take a different view of his conduct. Being imprisoned for breaching court bail conditions isn’t a great look for a start.

 

The breaching court bail was because he and the girl had agreed to start seeing each other again. It apparently went on known to the police for months without them deeming it enough of a serious issue to do anything about it.

Also, how do you know the girl wasn't also abusive in some way? I think the fake blood in the clip she leaked isn't a good indicator for her either. As per Heard vs Depp, men can also be on the receiving end.

Plus, neither her family, nor his, seemed to be acting out against them being together. In the more typical domestic abuse cases you're probably referring to there's usually word and actions of the supposed victim's family trying to break them up; that doesn't seem the case here.

 

Similar accusations when young didn't stop CR7's marketability.

 

Ahhh, it must be love! ❤️

In reality his motive is completely irrelevant. He knew it was illegal to do that. He had been ordered by a Crown Court judge not to contact her. That’s really the beginning and end of it. I’ve seen the ‘we’re back together’ defence loads. It’s really not an ace card.

Feel free to link me to something about the fake blood but I don’t really see how it matters unless we’re into a ‘two wrongs make a right’ or whataboutery type debate. It’s very plausible to have two abusive people in a toxic relationship. I don’t see how that reduces his culpability for his own actions. If anything he’d have no fuss finding a less abusive partner given he’s a high profile millionaire.

It’s difficult to know. What would be gained by her family speaking out other than probable estrangement from her?

 

Giving the benefit of the doubt as much as possible here, I’d say at best, you’re an incredibly naive person.

 

Sounds like they are well suited.

Never mind the cost to the public purse for all this.

Sod the lot of them.

 

What if she contacted him and he just replied, i.e. she was the person who instigated contact?

Again, considering the police knew about it for months and didn't care they can't have considered it that egregious an offence, with her instigating it potentially being a major mitigating factor.

Just look at it. I can't believe any one who's ever seen a serious wound of any kind considers that to either be: a) what real blood looks like , b) how blood drips/leaks from wounds, especially lip/mouth cuts c) how much blood you'd actually get from a punch in the face and a subsequent bust lip.

I've put my tooth through my lip - cut a large slice in to it - the blood dripped heavily, not ran in a linear stream. I've seen people have their face smashed in, crushing their nose and mouth in the process, blood everywhere, but not gushing like that.

The consistency of the blood itself looks too runny. The colour is off. It's too translucent/watery in places, especially where and when it's somehow travelled so far down her neck.

There's not even any evident cut or swelling shown on her mouth where the blood seems to be coming from. There's even a thick streak of blood on her left side of her throat with no clear origin point - as in no path for where it could have possibly got from her mouth and then run to, or dropped down to, where the streak on her neck starts.

Have you ever seen someone even in a boxing/UFC match bleed from their mouth like that?

It looks like what happens when someone bites in to a blood capsule and then it spills out, and also smears some of it for added effect.

There's a hell of a lot of intellectual dishonesty and wilful blindness going on with people accepting that image at face value.

To an extent, but when it's less clear who is a "perpetrator" and "victim" then it does mitigate things. E.g. people whose actions are in self defence do face less (or even zero) culpability compared to if they'd done something similar without provocation.

What if she was using the threat of proceeding with the accusations to blackmail him in to staying with her?

You know Amber Heard still begged Depp to get back together with her even after she faked the bruise on her face to get the restraining order against him?

There are still plenty of millionaires capable of making seemingly bizarre and irrational choices. Depp left, Greenwood stayed. Who knows why?

Her father didn't just not speak out against it, he spoke out supporting Greenwood's good character.

There's no guarantee it would result in "probable estrangement" either.

It's a tricky aspect though, sure.

 

It's very much the reverse.

 

The evidence is evidently not that serious, otherwise the CPS would have continued with the prosecution.

You also don't know what the new evidence which came to light was which made them state they couldn't proceed with any prosecution.

 

The CPS statement was:

"In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction."

I find it interesting how most people seem to have picked up on and only relayed the "withdrawal of key witnesses" part, but overlook or ignore the "and new material that came to light" part of the sentence.

From the comments that go along with it my reading is that lots of people still wish to peddle the narrative that the evidence pointed to him being guilty and it just was just because he paid her off or pressured her that she withdrew and the case was dropped; the fact that there was new evidence which is indicated to have contradicted or undermined the claims is too much of an inconvenient headache for them.

 

Nobody has a dog in the fight though, unless they are a Man Utd fanboy or an incel. Most people are looking at it objectively and have drawn the most logical conclusion.

The strangest thing is your dogged defence of a player you seemingly have zero connection to, they don’t even play for the team you supposedly support.

 

Weird, if you truly looked at it objectively you'd realise that the audio clearly doesn't prove anything, and in order to presume a crime occurred you have to use your imagination to fill in the gaps of the audio and guess what is physically occurring - having to use your imagination to come to a conclusion is obviously not being "objective".

The problem is with lots of people being gullible and easily suggestive, then succumbing to their emotions in reacting to what the innuendo was leading them to believe occurred as opposed to what was objectively being presented.

Would you call Johnny Depp an "incel"? Because he's someone who'd be more aware than most of how clips can be taken out of context and supposed "evidence" even fabricated. Such knowledge usually requires experience.

The issue is more with guys who are naive, inexperienced, sheltered, nice, molly-coddled, unquestioning idolisers of women etc. who don't realise or can't accept that girls can also be calculating, manipulative, vindictive etc. That doesn't of course mean it's true of all girls in all cases, but if you can't genuinely recognise the possibility in a case such as this then you're a fool.

As for the "Man Utd fan boys" bit - you think the CPS are Man Utd fanboys or acting as Man Utd fanboys? I also followed the Johnny Depp case and defended him, even though I couldn't give two hoots about him and wouldn't count myself a fan of his work - I can't even think of more than one film of his I've watched.

The evidence of Greenwood's guilt is clearly not there, however many taunts you wish to throw at those who recognise it.

 

Utd will obviously now be considering how the PR could be managed, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if Utd either sell him abroad or release him, that Newcastle or Chelsea will sign him a year later - with zero fkks given.