Having little sympathy for him makes you callous. Acknowledging that there are other unfeeling individuals on Twitter does not make your lack of empathy and unnecessary judgement somehow acceptable.
I don’t like Sam if I’m being honest. But it’s only right to call out those who are being ****s, because if enough people do it and don’t have an “I’m alright Jack” attitude, there’s sure be less of it around. People being ****s isn’t acceptable in person, why are people letting it be so online because they might have a bit of anonymity? Even twitters support function would remove them off the platform pretty quickly if it’s legit (at least the majority of the time)
Good to see there are imbeciles on Twitter who still think Fletcher is a goldmine and we are getting loan fees and full wages covered!
Interesting to hear somebody on the Do Not Scratch Your Eyes Twitter space the other night say that they bumped into Roy Moore at the end of the Swansea game and apparently he said that there would be no protests from them as he didn't want to annoy the club and get their 'privileges' taken from them. Pretty unbelievable that a supporters group - despite their repeated denials - can be completely nullified by being given a dingy shack under the Rookery.
A message from Woy Seems I need to correct a few assumptions, and clear some ****** air. Seen a lot written over social media over the last couple of weeks regarding Pozzo out protests, taking banners into games slating the owners/board, that prickly agent. With those comments, I’ve noticed that the 1881/singing section/ people who want to sing with like minded people, or myself are quiet when it comes to singing anything against the owners. From the offset, we have always been about supporting the team in a positive way. Yeah we did the Gino banner, but we did at a time when things were pretty positive. We stopped doing coach banners when we thought it was us who cursed the coaches with displaying them, then the next couple of weeks they were gone. Regardless of what I think about the current situation, and because it would be a totally negative way to support the team, if I/we started some form of owners out thing, this, I believe, would have a detrimental effect on the team. Last night against Swansea, the overall atmosphere was pretty ****. This can come naturally when we are playing crap…as been evident over the last 3 years, and I get it. I also get why people have become frustrated and ****ed off with what’s being written (some true, some not so, and some I have no idea) I also get why people are still pretty strongly pro Pozzo looking back over the last 11 seasons on a whole. The question is, have you had enough ? What would be the tipping point if you’re Pro pozzo ? Does there need to be more pressure put on them to give their heads a wobble… before they sell up to whoever is available at that given time ? Are you ok with things at the moment ? For me, the answer would be clearer if we knew there was someone better/worse knocking on the door. And I say this because **** me, I’ve never seen a fanbase so divided, so ****ed off with fans who support the same watford fc, as I do right now. Across the board, life in general has been pretty **** since the fa cup final….and not just because of the fa cup final. With football, I’m not alone when I say that we use it as an escape from normal life. A way to let frustrations go and to be with some great mates. Life for many is pretty crap at the moment. Have we manifested something into our football club born from our normal daily lives, and bought into the stands ? the stuff we are reading, listening to, watching, no longer is giving us that escape with all things WFC ? Or are people that ****ed off with Gino ? I respect peoples opinions on this. Footnote: The support for my football club is first and foremost. Yes, there’s been a lot of hard work gone into the bunker, and of course I’d be ****ed off if they took it of us…there’s been a lot of blood, sweat and tears put into that place in order to bring watford fans together in a safe, friendly environment. Me nor anyone else is on any form of payroll/backhander or whatever. Also, I’m not scared to say anything and am happy to put questions forward if you wanted me to do so. Love and peace x P.s I’ve just reRead this to myself and it’s upsetting that it’s got to this stage where our own fans are turning on eachother. .I’m usually really positive.
You have to feel for the chap. He's tried to do something positive and it,like Pozzo,began well. However they are only a group of how many,two or three hundred at most and a large number of the foot soldiers appear very young? They're between the Scylla and Charybdis as far as I can make out and we have far worse problems than what the 1881 are or aren't doing.
Mostly fair enough. I can understand that he's somewhat caught in the middle and is at least asking the questions, though I think he's a bit head in the sand on it. What I don't agree with is about stuff from our day to day lives bringing malaise. For decades, football has been the escape for people around the world in wars and extremely difficult personal and societal conditions. That hasn't changed. Our club is repeatedly letting us down in response to the support we give. We support, the team entertain and fight. I got back from a long and tiring work trip to Amsterdam on Wednesday afternoon and spoke to my mum to hear that my old man is having yet another mental health crisis. I thought "well the football is on, so I can lose myself in that" and dragged me and the kids down to Watford. That's one of the main ways I've coped over the years - being part of something for 90 minutes with your mates and believing is it. A total escape. Does that happen anymore? Does it b0ll0cks. Instead of any real engagement with the game, I was treated to a tepid pile of s**t, with a squad that isn't up to the job mentally or in general. The only bright spot was Morris as he's come through the youth team and looked decent. Same old faces, same old mistakes, same old 60% effort from half the team. I was utterly jealous of Swansea and their drive to win, where we played like a bunch of office workers with a hangover. All this with the spectre of financial implosion hanging round like a cloud as this bunch of useless t0ssers suck hundreds of thousands out weekly. No pride in the team or the club as we are run like a circus. Got home late as the M1 slip road was shut and the traffic was awful. Kids cross about just how bad it was and how the wheels have come off and disappeared into the distance in the space of 3 years. F**k you Gino for sucking the life out of my escape. I hope you're happy wrestling naked with Bayat on a huge pile of money or whatever you do when you're not sat like a motionless robot in the directors box.
Anyway, if people did want to protest the owner, I cannot see how doing it at the executive entrance before and after the game has a detrimental effect on the team? Nor do I understand how certain banners would affect the team? If a banner was unfurled bemoaning the use of Mogi Bayat for instance? Or one that simply stated ‘Talk to the fans Gino’ - how does that work against the team? Protest doesn’t have to be full of vitriol and splittle-filled anger! A simple message of displeasure can be made easily, effectively and wouldn’t impact what’s happening on the pitch. (Although the way this season is going, I’m not sure it wouldn’t be a good thing anyway) It’s also annoying to see that we have someone else suggesting people aren’t capable of separating their day-to-day lives from the football club they support. Yeah, the world outside of football isn’t great right now, with financial issues, wars etc etc - but my fears about such things have absolutely nothing to do with my concerns about the running and future of Watford Football Club. I actually find it pretty insulting when the two are linked - and it seems to me like a defection tactic… ‘Are you really unhappy with Gino? Or are you not happy in life and subconsciously taking it out on him?’ What a load of nonsense.
The Sunderland fans at the Vic a few weeks back didn't seem to be too pre-occupied with the war in Ukraine or the cost of living crisis. Nor do Newcastle fans or the Brighton and Arsenal fans that I know. I wonder why that is?
Absolutely this. Both great suggestions - Nantes have already done this: The stuff about it being our own lives rather than the club is borderline insulting.
It took you 3 years to get home just because the slip road was closed?! And your wheels fell off?! How’s your luck!
There's a definitely a paragraph break needed in there. Mind you it did feel like 3 years to get home.
And now just look at me As I'm looking down at you No, I'm not bein' flash It's just what I'm built to do I’m Gino, whoa, Gino… actually it’s a FB copy and paste
Can’t we do one of those mock funerals for Bayat like the Nantes fans did. Hold a proper service and bury a Mogi puppet in front of the club shop. We can stick a Giaretta puppet in there while we are at it I suppose.
I’d like to take this opportunity to sincerely apologise to Gino, Scott, Mogi and the 1881 for manifesting negativity and failure into this football club Perhaps if us fans could grow a set and take some responsibility for fixing the global economy, ending the Covid pandemic and negotiating a peace treaty in the Ukraine, Slaven and the boys might make the playoffs
I think football was better before we had twitter, and podcasts commenting on twitter and forum threads commenting on the podcasts and comments within that thread commenting on the thread. It's a circle jerk, a tail eating snake that just amplifies oddballs and extreme views. Everything has to be one extreme or the other and people start fighting
Always find this suggestion that you would need to explicitly know the exact selection of candidates in line to take over from Gino before even being prepared to take one position or the other, let alone acknowledge what he's doing to the club and how far he's lost his way, laughable. This particular framing of it is amazing, because what it literally says is that without knowing who would take over and whether they would be better or worse, he can't even manage to determine in his own mind what his threshold for holding Gino to account in the form of his own opinion is. Meaningless banality.
I wonder if these people had the same thought process about Bassini - didn’t want him out until The Pozzo’s loomed into view? No, me neither.
So I presume this banner must be fire proof if its allowed into the ground. Shall we just ask to borrow it?
This forum was the online home of the 1881 to start with. Roy and the gang used to get all their ideas from here. I think they even had their own sub forum. Of course, up until questions started being asked about motivations and things began to turn a little more critical. Not long after they scuttled off to find another home, one that could house more sycophants. I think the final straw was a poll about which legends were to appear on a new flag, Doyley came third and Roy pulled rank, disregarded the results and didn’t include him. As my mates teenage son said the other week when he was asked if he wanted to be in the 1881 area in the future, ‘nah I’m not a good enough fan to be with them’. Hopefully that level of disdain is shared by other supporters.
But he said he respects other people’s opinions? I assume that means ALL sorts of opinions. Right, right?
It's always quite a clear indicator what someone's true intent or feelings are when they come out with stuff like this. It's exactly the same as when people say that any dissent towards the hierarchy could distract the players or that any protests should be respectful and peaceful. It's just a disingenuous attempt to water down or completely kill any potential protest without having to admit that that is the intention by muddying the water with spurious nonsense that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. So cowardly and transparent.
I'd suggest the way our esteemed owner runs the club has already meant our players are pretty distracted. Distracted in so far as doing all they can to get a move away. Social media is a horrible barometer, but it does seem that there are more and more disillusioned fans popping up online, not all Pozzoout, but a lot starting to genuinely ask some questions. The biggest challenge is that there's doesn't seem to be one clear message or one demand and it's until we have something to unite behind I fear well just be going in circles
FTRE boys have released a characteristically tepid and cautious assessment of the “uneasy” Gino situation - ‘the model isn’t working as well as it used to… the Mogi Bayat relationship is a little uncomfortable…. Perhaps our squad actually is quite balanced but we’ve been unlucky with injuries… protesting at the games isn’t the thing to do’ etc. I have no ill will towards these guys but if they don’t get off the fence soon and decide whether they want to be a straight talking independent ‘finger on the pulse of the fanbase’ podcast or a ‘level headed keep our bridges unburned’ media channel they’re going to get left behind completely very soon IMO
Yeah, I caught it this morning and it sounded very much like a manifesto for apathy. Basically saying they can see people on both sides shouting loudly but assuring their listenership it’s ok not to take sides. Like you I’ve no ill will towards them but that’s not a winning position to take.
