Ogi Obi

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by Harris, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. Harris

    Harris Reservist

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    Watford's Ogo Obi, 16, is on trial at Manchester United this wk. Obi won the Golden Boot at the Milk Cup last yr. #mufc #watfordfc #hornets
     
  2. Just another 16 year old kid who thinks he's too good for us

    Don't want or need people like that
     
  3. Guy

    Guy Squad Player

    This is what's wrong with EPPP and youth development in England

    Any hint of talent gets snapped up for peanuts and will never see light of day at first team level.
     
  4. Hornet23

    Hornet23 First Team

    Should have sent him to Udinese. FML. Folivi is better than him, don't tell United though.
     
  5. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Why are we giving this guy a free option? Surely he should be told that if he goes for the Man Utd trial then there is no place for him at Watford. The way it is at the moment is we only get him back if Utd think he is garbage.
     
  6. bowzer

    bowzer Academy Graduate

    We can't turn them down as they're Cat 1 and we're Cat 2 and Obi has not signed a scholarship contract with us so he's free to look around and see if another club suits him more.
    Even if he verbally said that he would sign with us that doesn't stop him moving elsewhere.

    Because the fees under EPPP are laughable you can understand why clubs scrap their academies. I doubt that the inital fee we'd get for him would cover the cost of his training over the past few years.
     
  7. SouthernHornet

    SouthernHornet Reservist

    Was a given over the past year anyway, was best mates with like Armenikas
     
  8. Jellyman

    Jellyman Squad Player

    English football at its absolute worst.
     
  9. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Squad Player

    Off to Manure never to be heard of again the next Harry Forester?! Will be farmed out loan if he is lucky.
     
  10. bowzer

    bowzer Academy Graduate

    I've worked out the absolute maximum money we'd get from a 16 year old leaving our academy, assuming he joined the club at 9:

    £71500 initial payment (as we're Cat 3 academy)
    Maximum of £1.3M after 100 Premier League appearances.
    20% of the transfer fee if he moves before turning 24 and 5% of all future domestic fees.
     
  11. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Just not worth the bother is it? Seems more economical to let the big clubs train everyone and then just sniff around the cast offs when they are 18 and on free transfers.
     
  12. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Actually, that doesn't look so bad to me.
     
  13. Jellyman

    Jellyman Squad Player

    The issue is that very talented youngsters don't fulfil their potential when they're thrown into huge clubs where they'll never see the first team.
     
  14. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    He's got you with his Jedi mind trick. It's terrible value.
     
  15. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the England team is crap.
     
  16. To be fair to them Moog, Macheda proves United are quite willing to ruin foreign prospects as well English ones
     
  17. Guy

    Guy Squad Player

    also why it as right for Panos Armenekas to be sent to Udinese, out of the clutches of the big clubs and why it was pointless going for academy category 1 status
     
  18. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Fair summary of the Pozzo model?
     
  19. bowzer

    bowzer Academy Graduate

    OK, how about if Ashley Young had left us for Villa as a 16 year old.
    We would have got £1,371,500 for him directly from VIlla after he played 100 games for them and then 20% of the transfer fee from his move to Manchester Utd. Assuming that fee was around £20M, we'd have got £4M

    So Ash would have earned the club a grand total of £5,371,500
    VIlla paid us £9.6M Villa for him and we got £1.2M+ we got from the Man Utd deal. It certainly wouldn't have been a good deal at less then half the money we actually got.

    Now take Harry Forrester. I think we got £250K from Villa for him (plus addons that AFAIK were never activated) Under EPPP we'd have the initial £71500 and nothing else as he's been released by every club he's been at and never played for Villa.

    So in a financial sense it's not a good deal for clubs and even Premier League clubs have the same problems. Last year Arsenal took a player from another EPL club for £250K
     
  20. If it were me I'd transfer the academy over to udinese. That way young prospects can't be stolen under EPPP.
     
  21. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    How much is that in pound sterling?
     
  22. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Theres 1.2 Villa to the Brum and 16 brums to the orn. By my calculations, 500K orns.
     
  23. NortholtHorn

    NortholtHorn Reservist

    What they'll always argue is that we'd never have had to pay his wages.
     
  24. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    A timely reminder of why moving Armenakas to Udinese was a good idea.
     
  25. Timbers

    Timbers Apeman

    Perhaps he sees no way through for young English players at Watford as superior first team ready players are brought in ahead of you rom abroad?

    Hoban, Bond and Murray were around before the Pozzos and the only recent youth team graduate O'Nein, they tried to realise until Sannino intervened.
     
  26. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I can see that moving to Man Utd would be a vast improvement on that front.
     
  27. Timbers

    Timbers Apeman

    Indeed it would be. More home grown players in their squad than us and they produced a few well known players in the past few years...
     
  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    If he reached the standard to be in Man Utd's first team squad then he'd be in our team many months before that. He certainly isn't going to Man Utd because he sees an easier route to the 1st team.
     
  29. Harris

    Harris Reservist

  30. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Just another example of a Premier League club desperately trying to hoover up as much potential they can in the hope one or two make it.
     
  31. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    Couldn't we make Harefield nominally belong to Udinese, but in practice belong to us to exempt all the youngsters from EPPP?
     
  32. Hairyfrog

    Hairyfrog Squad Player

  33. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I don't really get the criticism for the lad on here. He's been offered a chance to go and train with United's youth setup. There can't be many/any players who would turn that down. I'm sure Watford have taken the time to explain to him and his parents what we're offering and, more to the point, how that contrasts with United's way of doing things. We have nothing to hide. Harefield only has a chance of working if the players buy into it. We don't need passengers along for the ride looking for their next move. So either he goes now and we draw a line under it or he signs and stays for the foreseeable. I call that win win in what is a pretty crummy system for all clubs interested in developing youth talent.
     
  34. Vicarage Road

    Vicarage Road Reservist

    The reason england are crap is because they don't play with any ****ing heart, or any ****ing passion. Plus, for the last ten years, England have been playing the most over rated player of a generation in Steven ( I keep my head down and let my feet do the talkin ) Gerrard.
     
  35. Guy

    Guy Squad Player

    I don't see any criticism of the lad only disappoint with the system which allows the premier league elite to systematically hoover up young prospects with minimal compensation and then them having no real path of progression into the first team.
     

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