Official Starmer Out Thread

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Jul 4, 2024.

  1. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    And why risk it when it is not that easy to find an available charging point that actually fits whilst travelling away from home?
     
  2. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

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  3. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    I find this one an odd one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o

    The Transport Secretary Louise Haigh has resigned over a misdemeanour from 2013, she admitted the offence and her conviction long spent. This was before she was an MP, Starmer knew about this when she was appointed to be on the shadow cabinet in 2020 and was happy to put her on the cabinet following this year's election.

    I'm no Labour person but this seems like an unnecessary resignation, easily explained as a lapse of judgment and has paid her penalty long ago, let her stay on IMO.
     
  4. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Also, it was a conditional discharge, not a conviction. It only becomes a conviction if the conditions of the conditional discharge are breached in the time period it is imposed.

    The framing of this story in the media by people who really should know better, has been poor.
     
  5. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I think she was already on her final warning after the comments about P&O. Which were perfectly justified comments but probably not quite ministerial / collective responsibility compatible. I suspect this coming out was the straw that broke the camel's back rather than resignation material on its own.

    And I agree, it seems unnecessary and I suspect most normal people would think the same. Plus it's not like she was Justice Minister or anything.
     
  6. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team


    Falling on her sword (or being pushed onto it) over a relatively small demeanor which is quite strange to have surfaced now.

    Given everything else this probably would have turned into a big thing in the press for weeks and weeks. TWO TIER KIER AND CRIMINAL CRONIES etc etc


    I think one advantage for labour of Trump winning will be the press get their weekly politics drama and scandal to report on again like they did under the Tories, and don't have to blow up minor things they can find on the labour party
     
  7. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Don't you think it's a bit paranoid?
     
  8. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Agree seems harsh.
     
  9. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    True, but it's a relatively minor matter from 11 years ago. Starmer was aware at least 4 years ago, it's easily explained away.

    I suspect there was something else more serious and this is used as an excuse.
     
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  10. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    It does seem like a minor mister meaner for a resignation, nothing mor than a storm in a tea cup from 13 years ago. SKS did say a while ago that there would be zero tolerance policy for his ministers and MPs for doing wrong, so suspect that his using it as an example of acting fast and decisively.

    I also suspect that if this was one of Cooper, Streeting, Reeves or Lammy then he would have supported them.

    It feels like his used her as a sacrificial lamb to show his in control.
     
  11. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    LOL. Misdemeanour!
     
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  12. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    mobiles and tables aren't great for forums
     
  13. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Agreed. Seems minor to me considering the **** that has gone on with others in the party. The fact that SKS knew about it as well is a little odd. Is there anything else not broken yet?
     
  14. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    I'm surprised that the Tories didn't jump on this at PMQs, seems like an opportunity missed.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-rights-bill-rpc-opinion-red-rated

    After the lack of feasibility assessments around the WFA and the budget, you would have expected them to start to become water tight on these, before they put through something this big and one of their flag ship policies.

    Nothing that can't be changed or updated, just something else that leaves them red faced and looking like they have scrambled something together, rather than dong the hard yards up front.
     
  15. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It's been in the news. I'd never heard of this body before but I can see the new Labour government has endorsed and supported their ongoing role in scrutinising government work. They wouldn't be doing their job right if they just green lighted everything. And as they say, it's not the merits of the policy they're questioning, just the case put forward for it.

    I don't know why Badenoch didn't raise it but it wouldn't surprise me if it's because the Tories probably have a list of things the RPC similarly red rated.

    And yeah, a simple bit of research shows that to be the case:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/red-rated-impact-assessment-opinions-since-may-2015

    Looks to me like the civil servants in the Business Department need to be sent back to school!
     
  16. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    My kids' favourite was Mister Tickle.

    He looks a bit like Gregg Wallace

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  17. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    We had a bunch of Mr. Men biscuit cutters when I was a kid. Loved them, and they made really good looking, identifiable Mr. Men biscuits.

    Tickle was one of them. Good memories.

    Looking back, though, I think Tickle was probably a sex offender.
     
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  18. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Finding an image of Mr Tickle is more difficult than you'd think. I suspect the bloody woke PC culture war crowd may have deplatformed him. Which would be an outrage, if true
     
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  19. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    To be fair even the use of such a definitive pronoun is offensive. Hopefully we'll be seeing Mx Inclusivity hitting bookshelves soon.
     
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  20. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Are you OK, mate? You’ve missed all the rest!
     
  21. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    I refer the Rt. Hon. gentleman to the answer I gave around this time yesterday afternoon.
     
  22. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    They’ve finally broken you?
     
  23. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    It's all too much, dear boy. I fear I may have to concentrate on the "highlights".
     
  24. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    ‘Lowlights’, surely.
     
  25. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Quite so/sew/sow.
     
  26. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    I don't think it necessarily is that minor otherwise she wouldn't have resigned. She's got out there and presented her version of events which has downplayed everything and makes it sound like an innocent mistake but there are a couple of red flags for me: a) immediately bringing her age and gender into things in her resignation letter - a 24 year old woman knows right from wrong and b) claiming it was all an innocent mistake but her solicitor advised her to say "no comment" and then plead guilty. That is utter ******** in my opinion - no criminal solicitor is going to tell you to no comment when the offence all hinges on your state of mind and you're telling them it was a genuine mistake. Fair enough, making up some nonsense to get a new phone isn't the worst thing in the world but she was an adult and has done something fundamentally dishonest, which is relevant to high office in my opinion. Coming out with some utter tripe to justify it years later suggests to me she's still not prepared to front up to things.
     
  27. CYHSYF

    CYHSYF Academy Graduate

    I used to work with a bloke called Dave Tickle
     
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  28. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    I was very disappointed but not surprised that Starmer, Lammy and the comrades all went back on their past true declarations about the fascist and objectionable nature of Donald Trump. It was shameful to see people giving up their principles and morals like that.

    I suppose that people will think it is grown up statesmanship and the sensible thing to do, but really telling the truth, acting ethically and defending what you believe is *always* the right thing to do.

    In the end, one way or another, it will work out that they should have been honest rather than looked at the camera and lying like that. When everyone knows that they're lying.
     
  29. Whereas kicking seven shades out of your girlfriend is fine.
     
  30. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso


    i remember that book - he called mister bump a c*nt and gave him a black eye after losing a game of snooker at the pub
     
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  31. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  32. Filbert2

    Filbert2 Academy Graduate

    Get in Keir, deport the armless bastards!
     
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  33. Tableaux.
     
  34. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Sir Keir is beginning to look less suited to the role of prime minister every day. What on earth did he think his 'reset' speech would achieve today - apart from confirm that he is completely uninspiring and dreary
     
  35. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Think everyone knew he was uninspiring and dreary before the election. It's not like he hid away.

    They've just botched the messaging on policy. For whatever reason the political antennae of the people at the top of the Labour party setup didn't seem to remember after 14yrs in opposition they just can't get away with things the Tories can / did. That's about the long and short of nearly every 'scandal' that's popped up since July.
     

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