Next Manager?

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by lowerrous, Oct 3, 2021.

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  1. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Extremely optimistic
     
  2. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    First and foremost Raneiri needs to build us a midfield cos right now it seems like we don't have one.
     
  3. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    What a disgraceful decision!!!



    It should be a lifetime deal, obvs.
     
  4. Where's Wally

    Where's Wally Academy Graduate

    Fingers crossed he’ll do alright.
     
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  5. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Good luck to him.

    With Chelsea
    Liverpool
    Man U
    Leicester Arsenal
    Man C
    Everton
    Palace
    Burnley
    Brentford

    To play before Xmas he might need it
     
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  6. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Everyone loves him in the media etc. I know that has no basis in terms of results on the pitch, but I reckon he’ll get a few cheeky results amongst that lot and they’ll all lap it up. I do dread to think of the outcome on some of those matches if Munoz had still been in charge, it really doesn’t bare thinking about.
     
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  7. Where's Wally

    Where's Wally Academy Graduate

    It will certainly be a baptism of fire.
     
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  8. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    Chelsea was one of the games I wrote off even when I thought Xisco was up to the job, but you never know against Ranieri’s old club - we have had a terrible record against them since that great win in 1999/00 despite many close and/or high scoring games, but then most of it has been in the Abramovich era, some of it in the cups when we were in the Championship.
     
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  9. wiltsorn

    wiltsorn Academy Graduate

    I thought we beat them 4-1 not too long ago?
     
  10. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Gracia's first home game. One of the performances of the season. Preyera scored a beauty at the death.
     
  11. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    Yes but we have drawn three and lost 14 of the remaining 17 games since the win in 1999.

    Our only positive results have been the two draws in 2015/16 (when they were absolutely terrible for defending champions, we probably would’ve won the home game if QSF had given them less respect) and funnily enough, a 2-2 draw that took us to a replay in that grim Ray Lewington season (and interestingly, Ranieri’s last season at Chelsea). Lots of 2-1 and 3-0 defeats though.
     
  12. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    That's pretty much an impossible task given that we currently only have one midfielder in Sissoko who is actually good enough for the PL.
     
  13. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    We'll be lucky to get 9/10 points out of that lot, though I fear it could be even less :eek:
     
  14. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Then what happens ?

    Could we see a QSF type situation..

    Obviously let’s hope not!

    Certainly something needs to be done to up our game .
     
  15. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Get Sarr to run with the ball each time he gets it.
     
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  16. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    So Ranieri to be announced this morning .

    Would have preferred a genuine up and coming manager like Martinez but perhaps that is for next year once we (hopefully) maintain EPL status .

    Ranieri is a safe but conservative option who did well at Sampdoria , ok at Roma , not so good at Nantes and failed at Fulham .

    The Fulham job is the one that worries me , so I’m hoping that was a case of that ship had already sunk when he took the helm.

    On the plus side is he won the title playing counter attacking football . Although Leicester had Kante and we ve now lost Etebo who was our Kante .

    Ranieri has got his work cut out but we do have some decent players .
    First up is to create a tactical identity so that the players feel confident and assured in a well drilled style of play . This security will hopefully lead to the basic individual errors been eradicated . So far 6 of our 10 conceded goals have been defensive bowlers with another 2 poor defending/positioning .

    Doing just that will give us a chance in most games .
     
  17. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Same; though they at least arguably had an even worse squad than ours. This is one of his lineups which managed a 3-2 win at home vs Southampton. The defence in particular is (and was) an abomination:

    S Rico

    C Christie
    D Odoi
    A Mawson
    M Le Marchand

    JM Seri
    C Chambers

    A Schurrle
    R Sessegnon
    A Mitrovic

    Subs:

    M Bettinelli
    N Kabano
    S Johansen
    F Ayite
    T Ream
    J Bryan
    A Kamara
     
  18. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    His record is more good than bad but we’re never going to get the complete package as a manager. We just have to hope this is one of his good ones rather than bad, just like any player we sign or manager we hire, it’s about flipping the coin and hoping it lands on the right side.
     
  19. toffeeblue9

    toffeeblue9 First Year Pro

    So it's definitely Ranieri? I get the logic, but that Fulham spell would concern me a little bit. Still, I think you've got more to work with than he had at Fulham - my memory of them that season was that they bought a dozen or so players, a lot of whom were mercenary types or else unsuited to the league. Nice guy though, would be good to see him succeed.
     
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  20. Fewer.
     
  21. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    His record at Fulham is concerning but it might be why he wants to give the Premier League one more go.

    It might be a positive for us as it could be the motivation that he is using to succeed. It's difficult to see why else a 69 year old, who has already won the title, wants to put himself through it all again otherwise.

    Hopefully he'll turn us around and restore his EPL legacy that the Fulham job tarnished.
     
  22. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Even King Marco is struggling with Fulham. They are a basket case and best ignored.
     
  23. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I’m sure someone said on here he’s a friend of the Pozzo family? I don’t know how true that is, but hopefully you’re right and that it’s also the case that we’re potentially lucky to get him.
     
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  24. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    The Fulham thing is what is concerning me also. We are more like Fulham than Leicester.

    I don’t see him as someone with a track record of building a side or knowing how to fix big problems. I may be doing him an injustice as his CV is pretty impressive and he’s been at some big clubs.

    But for me, this has a reek of sticking plaster and will end in tears. Hope I’m wrong though, of course.
     
  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    T Cairney was missed from the above lineup.
     
  26. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    We could also do with whoever is 8th choice centre back at Udinese to help us remain solid.
     
  27. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I would bite your arm off for 9/10 points from that lot
     
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  28. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    He’s defo a mate of the Pozzo’s. Has randomly been in the directors box at some of our games in years gone by.
     
  29. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I suspect a large part of whether the new guy/Ranieri will be able to turn it around, is just how much scar tissue there is around the squad from the past few weeks under Xisco. Clearly performances were terrible and I think all this ‘the squad clearly love Xisco’ talk was a bit of a myth. If players don’t like the tactics or things line-ups are strange, no amount of happy-go-lucky attitude from the manager will sway players away from thinking he’s not very good.

    When Ranieri rocked up at Fulham, I think a lot of damage had already been done by Tony Khan that summer - buying players recommended by a transfer strategist that Jokanovic didn’t want but was demanded to play etc. There seemed to be lots of ill-feeling at the club when Ranieri arrived.

    This season can still be a positive one - but it all will depend on just how quick (or if at all) the players want to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in.
     
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  30. HeiaWatford

    HeiaWatford First Year Pro

    Well we could of done alot worse than Claudio. Took Sampadoria from the bottom of Serie A to safety then improved them to 9th the season after. He's managed some absolutely enormous clubs and has bags of experience this is what everyone of us was crying out for. No doubt he has his work cut out but I'm fully behind this appointment. It's a baptism of fire with the fixtures we've got coming up and hope he can instill some direction in to the club and get them playing as a team and not a bunch of individuals. Etebo, FS and King are going to be big absentees for him but he can organise two banks of four very well to frustrate the opposition and it's not that we don't have some pace to hit them on the break. Can see Sema and Kiko as the wide midfielders with Sarr and Dennis as the outball up top. He's got his work cut out with the defence though. Apart from Rose the others don't fill me with confidence at all.
     
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  31. HeiaWatford

    HeiaWatford First Year Pro

    I'm positive they will fight once given clear directions on how setup properly.
    Especially the last two games the gaps between defence and the midfield were comical. Close that space down and already you become more compact as a unit. My opinion only but spaces left behind Sarr and Dennis for the wide players to attack our fullbacks were frightening. Raphinia for instance didn't even really have to work that hard to find space before being one on one with Rose. If he didn't want to go that way he had bundles of space inside or too much time to hit his passes.
     
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  32. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    To be honest I think we will be on a hiding to nothing if he’s arrived with a pre-conceived formation that he won’t shift from. Playing 4-4-2 just because he prefers it will be suicidal if it doesn’t fit the players we have.

    I don’t think there’s much wrong with the formation we use - it’s just that Xisco set it up to be a team on the front foot without realising we aren’t at the level to dominate games in that way in this league. The same formation but with a far greater emphasis on defending and quick countering would be the way to go IMO. The shape wasn’t really the problem - it was the way we implemented it and didn’t change it mid-game when it wasn’t working. That was Xisco’s biggest failing.

    But we do need a player to sit in front of the back four.

    I do still largely think it doesn’t matter who is in charge - our lack of business in bringing on a compote to DM and new starting CB will be the biggest downfall and will ultimately probably see any manger fail. The squad is just not balanced at all.
     
  33. Ágætis Byrjun

    Ágætis Byrjun Reservist

    It is 100% Ranieri as he's just been on SkySports driving into the training ground.

    Let's do this.

    Edit - didn't see the other thread...this is old news!
     
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  34. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Ranieri is probably the most high profile manager Watford have ever appointed in their history. One extreme from rookie to high profile, which seems to be the Watford reactionary way.

    You have to ask why Ranieri wants to come to the club. Ok, he is friends with the Pozzo family, but business and friendship don't always mix well. For me, there are big question marks over how quickly it all unravelled at Leicester plus the disaster at Fulham can't go unnoticed. Having said that, I think Watford are seen as a poison chalice, most decent coaches wouldn't go anywhere near. So our credibility is seriously damaged. We may even be lucky to have him....who knows.

    To be honest, when I saw his name seriously linked with us my heart sank, however, seeing him drive into the training ground got me a little excited.

    I just watched a piece on SSN, and they talked about what went wrong and Watford's hire and fire model. Of course we were condemned overall, but Sue Smith was trying to be diplomatic. I think their comments were actually fair. Stephen Warnock was the other pundit and he said he was actually at the Leeds v Watford game at the weekend. He said it's one of the worst Premier League performances he's ever seen (talking about Watford of course) and said if Watford stay up, it will be another football miracle from Ranieri because Watford are that poor.

    He absolutely slaughtered us, saying how mistake ridden, slow and lethargic we were. He also picked out WTE as having a torrid time and focused on Sissoko making the wrong decision in a pass to Rose on one occasion, in the example they showed, stating that was happening right throughout the match. He also said Xisco looked out of his depth.
     
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  35. Graham Taylor the second time around was pretty high profile, if obvious and natural fit
     
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