1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    There was some great music in the 80s but what has come to be known as ‘80s music’ is generally fecking awful imo. Thought so at the time too.
  2. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    I disagree tho .
    Yes there were some awful stuff but I don't think we realise how good some of those bands actually were . Even the S.A.W. stuff I have gone on to appreciate . "I'd rather jack" by the Reynolds girls is a classic !
    Only joking !!
  3. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Reservist

    I didn't know whether to put this here or in "Things you hate" but it's more music related and I don't actually hate her...

    Radio 1 ramming the new Adele album down everyone's throats, as though it's not optional to have any other opinion on it.

    They've played a few off it and on the plus side, she's got a good voice and it's not the cheap slutty crap that the likes of Little Mix churn out... But it's just so bland. The music itself it just nothing and all she does it bang on about relationships (mostly failed) in a boring way without any bite, humour or interest. It is basically the sound of a boring mum waffling on to her mate over a coffee, with some session musicians jamming along.
  4. Yes, I thought at the time I'd rather Fleetwood Mac, than jack.
    I know the top 40 isn't the be-all-and-end-all, far from it, but in the 80s the charts were a mix of utter tosh, some decent stuff, and a few gems. A mix of genres. I feel old when I occasionally listen to the top 40 recently. Not a single track with anything going for it, not a single track I'd want to listen to again. Everything sounds the same.
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  5. Adele has produced a handful of excellent songs over the years, this one being the standout

    (and blimey it sounded so emotional sung live on Jools Holland....) , but the rest are instantly forgettable and all sound the same.
  6. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Thanks for mentioning Someone Like You just in case amongst the readers of this thread there is someone, recently emerged from a coma, who hasn’t heard it before.
  7. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    You're just old now, sorry. Everyone thinks their era is unmatched.
  8. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Exactly. I loved the late 90’s Eurodance invasion and can quite easily listen to it all day. But in the back of my mind, I know that to other generations, it’d sound like utter utter *****.
  9. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    Not quite, most of the stuff I listen to is from the 60s (Beatles, Dylan, The Who, Rolling Stones, Beach Boys, etc).

    All much better than my era (born in the early 90s).
  10. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    No one born with a living soul dislikes Eurodance.
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  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The overwhelming interest in certain artists means music is hugely imbalanced. Adele has more than 61 million monthly listeners on Spotify. Little known singer songwriter Carol Hodge has 218 and is quite frankly better and more interesting (no divorces mentioned). Even sharing a tiny bit of the attention would be good.

  12. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    What's Eurodance? Is that all of those 'Ibiza club classics' type stuff?
  13. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    A bit of a catch all term for European housey/hi energy dance from the 90s. You’d know lots of hits without going into deeper cuts. Some are even today’s football chants.

  14. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Ah, OK. Yes. Hadn't heard the term before.
  15. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    It could be said that the reasons for that are what have been suggested already; they were truly mould-breaking and issued music that people still find relevant and 'good'.
  16. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    I'd say the two bands you have mentioned were always more restricted in their scope...without the increased popularity of electric guitar music brought about by the Beatles, it would be perfectly possible to imagine a scenario where the Kinks developed as an acoustic 'folk-style' group, or that Ray Davies became a solo troubadour. As for the Small Faces, they were unashamedly 'white-man plays R'n'B' & when they tried to go a bit more 'complex' they disintegrated much like the Flake of which they sang. It's interesting to remember what the two groups that came out of their split were like: Humble Pie & The Faces went back to their original format.

    Both the Kinks & Small Faces operated in a more limited musical milieu & that would lead to a less widespread appeal. And that's before we consider the effects of the more obviously 'UK-centric' aspect of their music when compared to the Beatles.
  17. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Yes, I take the point that without the Beatles they might not have existed, or not in the same way. That wasn't really what I was getting at though: it was more why people listen to the Beatles now as distinct from other 60s bands.

    You are right about the 'Englishness' of those two bands I think. However, I'm not convinced that the fact that the Beatles changed music is itself that relevant to a South Korean teenager in 2021 who starts listening to them - except in so far as that is a major reason why they are famous and so they will have heard of them.

    I suppose I am querying whether their music is actually any more 'objectively good' than other bands of the era or whether they are (to be somewhat flippant) famous because they are famous (for good reasons, as you have pointed out).

    I should say that personally I don't dislike the Beatles and (rather as with Bowie), I recognise that their music is of high quality: but I wouldn't choose to listen to them ahead of the Kinks, Stones, Small Faces, Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick and Tich etc.

    (OK, the last one was a joke).
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  18. When I watch those reruns of TOTP on BBC4 on Friday night, for at least 70% I'm thinking WTF is this rubbish?
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  19. Yes, that's always been the way, but that 70% is 100% today !
  20. There is certainly a Barcelona or Man U factor to The Beatles fandom. Just as with those clubs though, that fame is based on achievement, even if the plastics are only there for the glory.
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  21. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Good analogy.
  22. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Good points, but I would suggest it was difficult to be anything other than more restricted in scope than The Beatles. I certainly wouldn't call The Kinks restricted, but then they are my favourite band of all, despite the fact that I wasn't old enough to appreciate them at their absolute peak.
    Talking of the Small Faces, I also loved the stuff Ronnie Lane did with Slim Chance in the 70s.
  23. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    If you want a level of variety and inventiveness to match the Beatles, look no further than the Stranglers. Seriously. They didn't get the critical acclaim (mainly because they didn't fit the 'punk' label and they threatened critics with violence!) Their first six albums are as varied and peerless as you can get. Subjective of course and I fully support the notion that the music you grew up with is usually 'the best' but here's a few examples to support my argument. Some of it was really weird but pushed the boundaries.

  24. Mazzereth

    Mazzereth Academy Graduate

    ha ha
  25. Mazzereth

    Mazzereth Academy Graduate

    My fave genres are....

    Stoner Rock, talking about bands like Fu Manchu.
    80s Hi-NRG dance, talking about people like Patrick Cowley.
    Renaissance music, talking about anything they play on Ancient FM online radio.

    New popular music I don't know much about, unless I'm being told to listen to it.
  26. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Ooh, thanks for the radio tip. I am partial to a bit of Byrd and Tallis although I am more of a Baroqueophile.
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  27. Ha!! Get along, get along...
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  28. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Myles Kennedy is one of the most talented vocalists on the planet and Alter Bridge are incredible.

    That is real music and a real musician. New album apparently coming next year. Can't wait.
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  29. I'd add these 2 and drop "Peasant...." IMHO

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  30. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    I must admit I'm not keen on their last three 80s albums, mostly bland and suffering from typical 80s over production. Souls is a good track but IMO not particularly inventive. Sewer, on the other hand - I still get totally lost in it, arguably their best ever track.
  31. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    Not if you spent Last Night In Soho it’s not.
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  32. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    I saw Hugh Cornwall play Harpenden a couple of years ago.
    Am not a massive Stranglers fan ,tho ,however it was a good night
    As is the way these days , 2 sets, the first to promote the new stuff
    and the second all the classics.
    It was good to see all his die hard fans getting into all of the music.
    My personal favourite is "Duchess" in fact this song is in my "all time fave"
    list .
    Maybe the Stranglers were not always taken seriously because they jumped from
    "Pub rock" to "punk rock" ?. They were in the Dave Edmunds Nick Lowe Eddie and the Hotrods
    Kursaal Flyers etc camp.
    Just my two bob.
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  33. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    I think it could be that the Beatles are recommended to successive generations who then find they enjoy the music. Almost as a self-fulfilling prophecy generated by the facts that they were game-changing and musically satisfying from the start at a time when 'youth culture' was developing after the grimness of the post-war years. That doesn't mean they were 'better' musically, but the catalysts.

    I always liked them, but at the time preferred the Stones, Kinks, Who, proper Fleetwood Mac and then got into West Coast stuff via the Byrds, Doors then the Dead. When I was old enough to go to live concerts (ie at 14) seeing such as very early Yes, Genesis, Family broadened my taste into 'early Prog Rock' before it got too far up itself.

    As a bit of leaven, there was always the Fairports, early Steeleye Span, Flying Burrito Bros etc.

    All made possible by the sea-change of 1963, for which we should give thanks even when preferring other artists.
  34. Duchess is a great pop song and one of my all time favourites too. The songs picked above by MIB and myself were designed to show their range of music from growling bass, to light synth choons, to plain weird, rather than strictly their best.
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  35. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    I was also at that gig in Harpenden! It was a really good show and he has released some pretty good solo stuff, although imo not up to the quality of the Stranglers material. I love Duchess as well, it is by far the most 'pop' song on the Raven album, which sounds anything but 'punk' but retains the Stranglers menace! I think they are difficult to label in terms of genre but they were lumped together with other bands as 'punk' at the time. Either way, a damn fine listen!
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