Money Going In On Munoz To Go

Discussion in 'Former Players Archive' started by brinnyboy1985, Oct 2, 2021.

  1. brinnyboy1985

    brinnyboy1985 First Year Pro

    Odds have shortened a lot on him to go. On Monday he was 6/1 to be the next prem manager to leave now he’s 13/8.

    meh
     
  2. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Doesn't take much to shift the odds, if we were to win today there's no chance he'll get sacked for now. You'd imagine a loss to Burnley would probably be the end of Farke?
     
  3. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Could just be someone has put a load of money on expecting it to happen if we lose .
     
  4. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Not with the lengthy contract they put in front of him this summer. Farke will only go if he walks I imagine. Or if fans really, really turn on him.

    Agree with the earlier point - at this stage, I imagine someone with £100 in their pocket to burn could influence odds a fair bit.
     
  5. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    I get the impression Norwich fans think they have just been lucky with decisions and things not going their way.

    Apparently they should have had a “stonewall” penalty when it was 1-1 us for example .

    They seem pretty confident points will come and feel new players just need time to settle .

    Or they aren’t really that fussed and accept their situation.
     
  6. HeiaWatford

    HeiaWatford First Year Pro

    I was far to eager to see the back of him earlier in his tenure but somehow swung it around. I still believe this was all down to the Deeney injury though and him stumbling onto a system that worked for us. But in all honesty the jury is still out.
     
  7. RS2

    RS2 Reservist

    Some Norwich fans seem to think that they are superior to a lot of teams because they pass the ball around going absolutely nowhere.
     
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  8. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Oh, sorry, that was all me.
     
  9. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    They’re a funny lot, they’re actually not too dissimilar to us lot on here in terms of the COG/Bedwetter ratios, except you’d expect a lot more Bedwetters than we’ve got. One of the odd things is that quite a few of their fans have absolutely no tolerance to bedwetters, I can understand choosing to be positive, but surely the most optimistic fan could still understand why some fans question things after 17 PL defeats in a row?
     
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  10. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    After today's result I'd expect to see a radical change.
     
  11. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Only if we lose.

    Win or a draw and he probably won't go but then Gracia was sacked after the latter!
     
  12. hornmeister

    hornmeister Club Legend

    As above the odds are affected by the bets.

    In all honesty what is changing the manager goign to improve? We're unlikely to get a manager of any reputation or calibre given the way they are treated and the lack of autonomy WFC provide them. I think Pearson was the nail in that coffin. Unless the players fall out with him or he makes a catalogue of basic errors of judgement replacing him is pointless and risks unrest.
     
  13. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Gino?
     
  14. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Reputation - possibly not, but calibre - it would be harder not to improve on that. If the Pozzo aren't able to, they genuinely might as well give up and sell the club now.
     
  15. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Are you a betting consortium in South East Asia?
     
  16. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    You really think he will be sacked if we lose today? Maybe if we’d lost to Norwich, but we have 7 points, we are 12th, it’s hardly a crisis.
     
  17. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Tbf there are a lot of good managers around, and the risk to them is minimal as even if they get sacked it does little to their reputation and they'd be in line for a payout
     
  18. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Aren’t we all on here?
     
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  19. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Well if some had their way yes he’d be gone but I agree - would seem like a rushed decision.

    Doesn’t help we have a tough run coming up but any manager will find it hard!
     
  20. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Yeah, I was talking about what Gino would do, not what some posters want.

    I can’t see it myself, so no doubt he will be gone by 8pm.
     
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  21. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

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  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    They could take the view that sacking him today gives more time bed a replacement in. It’s also possible that Gino had it in his diary to consider Munoz’s position at this international break.

    If the goal was to be top half at this point with more positive results than negative (and that would be reasonable given our tendency to dip in the Spring) then 4 losses out of 7 would be quite enough.
     
  23. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    If we lose today (to a team who have yet to win) the points on the board are irrelevant. We’ve played about one half of decent football all season, against a team that clearly were not prepared.
     
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  24. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    As you say, I don’t have to bore on about my own views on this again, but in terms of actual likelihood, even Adam ‘Gaslighter’ Leventhal released an article yesterday suddenly exploring the relative possibilities of what the hierarchy might be thinking and how the international break can and cannot be a dangerous time - it was a lot shorter on deluded ravings about knowing our place as a club than his recent output, and given what we can clearly see about how he tailors his Athletic output to/briefs for the benefit of club bigwigs, it’s perhaps mildly notable/indicative.
     
  25. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Fair point - managers have gone for less.

    I mean probably only needs a player or two to kick off and he might be in trouble like Ivic and Pearson were.
     
  26. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Mmm, I don’t know - it doesn’t seem bad enough yet to me. By the next international break, perhaps.

    The media would go spare of course, but I guess we presume Gino is immune to that even after Pearson?

    As for Leeds not having a win yet - well, OK: but they’re clearly a cut above Norwich, and probably Newcastle. I don’t think the points on the board are irrelevant at all, far from it.
     
  27. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I agree they would go mad, but I don’t that that will bother Gino in the slightest. They forget he’s Italian and chopping and changing the manager is par for the course over there.
     
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  28. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    Adds a whole new dimension to 'alarm bells ringing for Munoz.'
     
  29. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    As much as the Pozzos do? Genuine question, I have no idea, I don’t follow European football.

    I’m not sure we have can be sure what Gino thinks of the media response, we’re just speculating.
     
  30. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Off the top of my head this guy was sacked after three games:

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.ti...o-serie-a-season/amp_articleshow/86195782.cms

    I think it’s fair enough to speculate on what Gino thinks of the possible media response, because as a businessman and football club owner wouldn’t allowing it to cloud his judgement be wrong?
     
  31. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    No, I didn’t mean that we shouldn’t speculate, I meant that we don’t know what he actually thinks about what the media say.

    The counter to your point is that being perceived by the media as trigger-happy might put future managers off and perhaps affect the marketability of the brand (ie the club is perceived as something of a joke).
     
  32. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I think to an extent that horse has bolted, we’re down to appointing managers who’ve had 8 games in charge of a team. The type of managers we go for would jump at the chance, irrespective of anything else.
     
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  33. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    When Massimo Cellino was the owner of Cagliari his nickname was ‘The Manager-Eater’.
     
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  34. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    True, that.

    Anyway - it will still surprise me if he gets the boot today even if we lose (as I think we will).
     
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  35. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Then again…
     
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