Marco Silva - Former Snake

I think you can take Hull one of two ways. They were dead and buried when he took over, how many times do you see teams that are relegated suddenly start playing well when the pressure is off. He got them playing well right up to the point they actually gave themselves a chance of staying up…. As soon as they got themselves into that position they/he shat the bed. They lost 2-0 to already relegated Sunderland, got rolled over 4-0 by a palace team that finished just 6 points ahead of them and then lost 7-1 to Spurs on the final day.

So what did he actually do at Hull other than get them into contention when the pressure was off, then spectacularly blow it when it mattered? His good spell at Hull also was similar in length wise to his good spell at us and his good spell at Everton.

I personally think he is a fraud and will be gone from Fulham by Xmas (after his trademark 10 game good start), but obviously that’s just my opinion.

His bad spell with us was also spectacularly bad, I think people forget just how bad. So he’s either a terrible manager, or a terrible professional, that such an approach could so spectacularly impact his performance. Whichever way you slice it that is a disaster waiting to happen for any club, one or or another.

 

I also don’t completely buy the Everton basket case thing, BFS’s record was W 10 D 7 L 9, Silva’s was W 24 D 12 W 24, so he was basically worse than BFS, but was given a shed load of cash to spend and improve the team over what BFS had at his disposal.

I thought how he performed at Everton would give everyone clarity on just how good a manager he actually is, but despite bombing there after being given a ton of money to spend clearly not. I just hope if he fails at Fulham people can start to move past the 10 good games he had with us and look at the actual reality, but I won’t be holding my breath.

 

You still get the impression that if he starts well at Fulham and another "bigger" club (from any country) come in, Silva and his big watch will be on the first plane / train / automobile out of West London to talk money and sign a contract.

 

You were debating well until you decided to go down the path of ‘I’m right and you’re all idiots for not seeing it.’

Your opinion does not make it reality!

 

Well his record in England is matter of public record.

 

And as I have laid out previously, it’s your opinion that it’s a poor record because you’ve decided all the mitigating factors either don’t exist or are unimportant.

Fairly certain we have discussed this months/years ago anyway and didn’t agree then so let’s see how he does at Fulham I guess!

 

Now confirmed as the new Flam manager. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57677125

I wish Marco the very best of luck & every success in his new role *


(* not really)

 

100% certainty they will be promoted. Will be interesting to see if he can keep them up next season. Doubt the owner will be fobbing him off with Zeegelaars and Wagues.

 

Yet we would’ve got relegated with him hence he was sacked, his replacement then took the same squad to 11th and an FA cup final. Unless I’m being *whooshed this is an extremely odd post.

*I accept there is a strong chance this is an ironic post so apologies in advance of that is the case

 

No it's not ironic. We both know why things fell apart after the Everton approach and clear signs to fans, Board and, more importantly, players that he didn't want to be here. Up to that point we were doing really well. Gracia steadied the ship in that first spell and then excelled the following season. Highly likely Fulham will be a league above us next season, and have more finance behind them to push-on once they get a foothold in the prem.
But apologies in advance if you were being ironic and I have been whooshed .

 

Why did he have a worse record than BFS after being allowed to spend about £100m? Would you honestly said Fulham will have a better squad than he had with Everton? You also haven’t addressed the point about Javi, you made a remark about Silva having crap players like Wague and Zellegar, so how did Javi keep us up effortlessly if our squad was so bad?? That makes Javi league ahead as a manager by your own logic surely?

He’s a fraud and won’t last the season at Fulham.

 

Koeman also has a worse record than Allardyce at Everton despite spending far more. Yet he went on to do well with Holland and now is Barcelona manager. Should Allardyce have had those jobs instead? Or could it just be that sometimes decent managers don't always do well at a certain club for one reason or another?

For what it's worth, Allardyce had done enough at Everton IMO to keep the job. But Everton's jumped up idea of how big a club they are has been their downfall for a number of years now. That mindset frankly explains a lot about the poor records of some of their managers if you ask me.

 

Looks like we got £4.5m from Everton for the snake - https://theathletic.co.uk/2683699/2021/07/01/watford-financial-figures-transfer-fees-rising-debt/

 

Because he like plenty of others have failed at Everton. BFS was of course removed. Ancelotti only took them to 10th and a negative GD.

Today of course not. No. Where did I say they did ?

He didn't keep us up effortlessly the season he joined. We struggled and didn't score away for months. Next season he was great. The following season he was sacked after 4 dreadful games. I liked Gracia and would be happy for him to return. I'd put him on a par with MS, though I think we would have been more successful if MS had stayed for 2 seasons than Gracia.

We disagree. That's fine.

 

That’s all fine, I just didn’t get the logic that Silva will keep Fulham up because he won’t have players like Wague and Zellegar, despite Javi achieving it effortlessly with the very same players. The assertion seemed to be he had a poor squad with us, which is illogical because Javi did just fine with it.

 

That wasn't the logic at all.
My point was that he will get to spend more at Fulham so have every chance of establishing them in the prem. I made the comment about Zee and Wague as it was suspected at the time that MS was fuming when they arrived as last minute squad boosters as they were far below the level Silav had been led to believe he would get. Don't you recall? Of course he barely played Wague at all and Zee played just a few games for him when needed. That was all I meant by that comment. I think MS inherits a good squad at Fulham with every chance of promotion. I think he will be backed financially to establish them in the prem though of course they will never be as big as Everton.

 

I think he will get Fulham up. And then obviously they will be in and around the bottom places - the crunch will come when that happens….

The Fulham owner has shown before that they bring in their own targets and then get trigger happy with the manager.

Silva is clearly a manager who wants a certain amount of say/influence in transfers - if he’s backed in that manner, and Khan sticks with him through the inevitable sticky patch, then it will serve them well I think.

Obviously - and here’s the big point….they need Silva to remain dedicated and focussed throughout all that.

 

Serious question: why does anyone give a ****?

 

So he’s basically a manger who if he doesn’t get exactly what he wants he sulks or can’t perform? Wague and Zellegar were squad players, he was more than happy to take Richarlison to Everton and would’ve taken Doucoure with him too given half the chance, so it wasn’t all woe is me for him at Watford. Parker got a load of loan signings, unless there has been a big change at Fulham then they’ll be around the bottom of the table and I very much doubt he’ll be getting all the players he wants, so what then?

 

Watford fans are a sensitive bunch. Have you seen this forum?

 

We'll see. But 50p says he takes them up this season

 

I will reply in the manner of the forum that-shall-not-be-named:

 

You won't be saying that when he re-joins us and takes us to Euro glory

 

Silva got relegated with a defence containing Rannochia Maguire and Robertson!!! Hull conceeded 13 goals in their last 3 games. Peak Silva was some of the best football Watford have ever played but his problem is that while he has some great skills, his overall skillset and personality are too flawed for him to ever be really successful.

 

One of Silva's weaknesses was that the defensive organization of his teams was not always very good - especially when defending at set pieces. That appeared to be a problem at all his Premier League clubs.

 

ok, so he's gone to Fulham but what I can't understand is why Scott Parker left and went to Bournemouth!? For me it is an illogical move.

 

Perhaps he feared he was going to struggle to keep the role. Perhaps he had the nod that they were lining up such a truly fantastic quality guy to replace him ?

 

Would be so fookin great to get Fulham at the vic in the cup. I for one would be drunk on Shadenfruede. He thought he was too good for us but it turns out we're too good for him!!

 

Makes no sense to me unless they wanted Parker out and he had no choice. The best opportunity to bounce back up for Bournemouth would’ve been last season when parachute payments are the highest and you’ve got a better chance of holding on to your better players. The fact Denim didn’t back them last season and sold off a lot of their assets makes it less likely in my eyes he’ll do it next season, when it will require a bigger investment than it would’ve last season. So in that sense if Parker chose to go then it is totally illogical.

 

If they were willing to pay £5m a year to Parker, **** knows how much Tony Khan will pay for someone he actually rates.

 

Weirdly my Fulham supporting mate told me that just moments ago, and I almost collapsed in hysterics. An astronomical sun for a manger who has done precisely **** all ever.

 

Again, that’s not true. He’s won more trophies in his managerial career than the majority of any of our managers ever.

 

Scot Parker? I think he’s won one play off? After finishing fourth? Are we counting those as trophies now??

 

I really don't understand the dislike there is towards Marco Silva. We can all agree he's a bang average manager, and he's belongs in jobs like Fulham rather than Everton, but that's the thing - how can you deny someone of his ability the opportunity to go and manage Everton? He was offered a much larger salary and 3 times the budget, who wouldn't take that in any other industry? It's just the timing that was unfortunate for us. He also got messed around by the board with a lack of transfer delivery and departures of players he wanted to keep like Amrabat.

I will stress again that he is a very average manager and I think he is doomed at Fulham.

 

Ahh apologies. I thought you were still having a pop about Silva!

Glad to see you have seen sense on that now