I like this guy and am not sure why it’s taken the Jebbo experience to get to this point, but TC was happy with his performance last night: “Obviously with Jebbison leaving the club he is someone we are going to be relying on more now and I thought it was a real good full debut.”
Well he’s seen how the club does things in January, so he’s not getting his hopes up. And he’s said he’s not involved in the process during this window beyond making his requests known. Plus he got it wrong with the wonder kid from Bournemouth, so now he has to make do…plus he’s overlooked a player who might be half decent.
I don't think that's really the issue - Doumbia is still only 18 and he has definitely progressed in the months since he's joined based on his earlier League Cup cameos. He was definitely not ready yet to contribute much earlier in the season. I still don't think he's good enough yet to really help, but he's at least at the stage now where he can do a job of harassing defenders and holding the ball up a bit. No idea if he's capable of offering any actual attacking threat though and if would even get on the end of the chances that Jebbo was missing.
Didn’t realise he is that young. In which case I would say his performance last night was not too shabby at all, against a very strong team.
I like this guy. He actually moves around, wants the ball and to top it all off he can play football. Start him ahead of Bayo who did the square root of **** all yet again.
It took until the 70th minute for our midfield to put a ball in the box. I get Bayo is a boo boy but what did you expect from him yesterday with the pitiful service he got?
He could try controlling the ball? Holding it up? Not having a touch a like a trampoline? I get the point about the service into the box but even then, from a carbon copy situation that resulted in a goal for Osmajic, seeing the opportunity and nipping in front of a slightly dozy Pollock to finish smartly at the near post, Bayo gets pocketed by their defender and doesn't get within 2yds of the cross.
Don't get me wrong I don't think he's particularly good, but he is effective if the ball gets put in the right places. Instead we had Ebosele playing football at walking pace and Larouci doing not a lot. Bayo has limitations, obvious ones, and our lot seem to play to them rather than play to his strengths.
I agree that Bayo is not championship standard however Doumbia is only 18 and should be protected for the time being despite showing signs of obvious promise .
I'd honestly struggle to identify his strengths! Suppose he does ok with chances that are put on a plate. But anything that requires making a semi-intelligent run, thinking ahead, dropping off in the box to find free space, holding the ball up, a simple give and go or a one-on-one and he inevitably stuffs it up. And that's just the goal scoring bit of his game. At this point I think there's a case for calling it a vicious circle - his teammates know he's a dud so they end up taking higher risks to produce simpler chances for him and fail more often than not to produce the goods.
The C.F. is the focal point of the attack . It is his job to gain possession when the ball pops out and to SERVICE the SERVICERS so that they can provide him with good service . If the first part of this process is sub standard then everything else will be to . This really is basics of centre forward play .
what is he effective at? Most crosses he hides at back post. You will say some goals but he plays 90mins most weeks as an only striker in a 46 game season so you’d expect him to eventually bundle some chances away. Rajovic gets goals and that is never enough to get him the kind of run in the team the abysmal Bayo gets. You can’t take his 4 goals away from him at Wednesday in terms of stats, but his record in the 12 months before that game was awful in terms of goals/assists,
He's technically turd, but he scores goals. Same as Rajovic. If he is always at the back post, guess where I would cross to if I was a wide player...
Our current number 9 is the leading scorer which includes 8 in 8 between Sheffield Wednesday and WBA before that he had scored not many in loads and is currently on a 1 in 8 run . So my question to the Bayo fans is , what do you think the norm is ? 8 in 8 or 1 in 8 and counting . Also , and I ask you to think about this , all these games which we have lost by the odd goal recently but our C.F. has failed to net.
Not sure, if you're good enough you're old enough, Vata is 19 and has adapted incredibly well. Despite only being 18 Doumbia is physically suited to men's football and looks like he has a brain, give him a run in the team I say.
Effort, movement, runs into the channels, technique, control of the football to bring others into play. The basics of any footballer. He wasn't the only one mind you.
I get your point but it's not as simple that. I played both positions and a static striker is a dream for a defender because you know exactly where they are and what you need to do. You don't even need to win the ball just use your body to make sure they don't. A striker with movement is a nightmare because you have no clue what they will do in the box. PNE striker who I don't rate at all showed what movement and effort can do for a very ordinary side. PNE simply worked harder than us and that's how they won.
But this perpetuates the idea that he's some kind of specialist finisher, rubbish at every other aspect of the game except for putting the ball in the back of the net, when it's not at all the case. He really doesn't 'score goals' in the way your expression of that sentiment means. He's played 27 games in the league this season, and he's scored in only 6 of them. He is capable of the very, very odd inexplicable freak event; Sheffield Wednesday being said event, when he scored a ludicrous 4 and using technique the likes we had never seen before and probably never will again. But it is literally a fact we can all attest to that, in general terms, he's actually a terrible finisher. It's far more a facet of his overall performances for us than being any kind of competent, let alone impressive, finisher. He hits the ball straight at the goalkeeper almost as default. He's terrible with his head - he's genuinely more likely to guide a free header off target than towards the goal, and we can say that because we've seen him do just that many, many times. Even some of the few goals that he has managed have gone in in spite of him - one, for example, he hit so badly that it rebounded in off a non-striking part of his body after he messed up a finish from 4 yards out. That's not to mention his dithering, and miscontrol, specifically in these 'goalscoring' situations. He often fails, on top of that, even to manage to get a real shot off because of it, and that's something that would only get included in incredibly granular stats, but has a big impact in how we have to assess him as a player. Just because he has scored a headed goal, doesn't mean he is acceptable or should be credited as a type of player who has a talent for scoring headed goals. The same with broader finishing: just because he has in his professional career with us managed to guide the ball past the goalkeeper, doesn't mean he is talented at it or that that is the one specialist or redeeming part of his game. Outside of all his other failures, the total lack of ability outside the box and this fabled realm of goalscoring and how damaging that is to our overall play, his contribution inside the box is still also strikingly poor. He just cannot be labelled 'one of those players who scores goals' because he barely does, relatively speaking, and the great weight of evidence we have all seen indicates in almost every way that he actually cannot be relied upon to 'just score them'. It's a strange myth and I'm flabbergasted that it can still exist at this point, to be honest. Before Hornpete comes in should he wish to do so, I will say again what I explained on the Shoutbox last night - no one is saying that Bayo is THE problem, but he is a HUGE problem, and he affects the entire way the team play as well as the amount of chances he either doesn't create or doesn't convert himself (particularly problematic when we create so few to begin with). There are other HUGE problems, as we are all aware - the central midfield is one, quite probably the biggest of all. And the Chuckle Brothers there get pelters constantly, because they keep shaming themselves and we somehow keep getting forced to suffer them. But it's moonman, disingenuous stuff to pretend that Bayo is better than he is, or less of a problem, just because there are other problems too - problems that we all constantly acknowledge.
The problem is that it is so much easier for the defence to prevent any real chance being created if the striker is a ‘back post coward’. For the cross to evade the keeper and the CBs and be too high for the full back to get to it will have to be 100% perfect…so probably 1 per game, maybe 2. And even then it depends on the striker actually heading it correctly…not exactly proven to be a strongpoint of his.
No one is saying that playing the C.F. effectively is easy as it is most certainly not . however I just don't see any clever play from Vakoun . For example i never see him standing in an offside position , getting out of the defenders eyeline, then nipping in front to show for a pass. I never see him dropping off to play in the 10 role. I just see a player standing in front of their back 4 jogging from side to side . that said I thought he was ok up at Derby .....
Yes he was better at Derby as was everyone else. But I agree with your analogy of Bayo he doesn't work hard enough to forgive him his faults. Which are many.
I think he does work hard, it is more of a case that he doesn't do the nuts and bolts that a decent forward would. What I would say is that I have seen him between the 2 CBs working hard to stop the pass into the opposition's central midfield . However , this is out of possession stuff which anyone can do .
