[SOLD] Luis Suarez

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by reids, Feb 8, 2020.

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  1. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    It really isn't that hard. A player may be of greater value to their club than they are to other clubs.

    Noone in their right mind thinks Zaha or Grealish are £80m players, but their clubs would not sell for any less.

    Noone (sane) thought Deeney was worth £25m but we turned that down from Leicester as he was more valuable than £25m.
     
  2. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    Not sure that is a fair characterisation.

    People don't hate the Pozzos - they just think the Pozzos' decision making for 2 years has been absolutely atrocious, and thus they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt others are willing to give them.

    I would be very happy if they turned it around, I just have concerns about their ability to do it.
     
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  3. So a player who didn't want to be here and was refusing to train and clearly going to be disruptive was worth more than £10m to us ? Deeney was worth >£25m based on what he was going to contribute for us. On the same basis Suarez would have been worth zero.
     
  4. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Love your spin. Anyone who is unhappy with the ownership “hates the Pozzos”. Anyone who supports them gallantly concedes they have made mistakes but they are still great.

    Pretty pathetic. It’s like me saying “the difference are those are who lick Gino’s boots verses those who think they did well for 6 years but have managed the club very poorly for the last 2 years.”

    Try to post with a bit of balance.
     
  5. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I saw hb1 say we should’ve sold him and Estupinan for £50m. I’d agree a loan would’ve been the best outcome, but that also ignores the fact we’ve been relegated and need cash. Either way, I do think people are getting a little carried away, it’s the Vydra complex that plagues so many of our fans. A guy who did well in the second tier of a league that is below the standard of the championship being eulogised as someone who would’ve been the answer to all our prayers.
     
  6. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Pointless. Fan base is completely divided so it will spill into another thread. Might as well have this thread to contain it.
     
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  7. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Can you explain how a player who has never played for us (unlike the examples of Zaha and Grealish you’ve provided, who are actual club legends for their teams) is worth more to us than we sold him for?

    I’d genuinely love to see your workings out on this one.
     
  8. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    Players regularly kick up a fuss and then go on to play for the club - just like Riyadh Mahrez did when Leicester refused to sell him for £40m. He went for £70m the following summer.
     
  9. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Have you been at the bottle again? Put your dummy back in!
     
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  10. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    He is the best striker the club had on their books. If he played for us he would given us a better chance of getting promoted this season. Just as Zaha and Grealish help keep their teams in the PL.

    Do you really think he would have carried on refusing to play after the window closed and just thrown away a year of his career?
     
  11. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    Sorry. I’ve really let myself down. You’re generous in saying I’m only “pretty pathetic”.
     
  12. Yes Zaha too but they are the exceptions to the rule. You want your squad focused and pulling together without a reluctant player ruining morale. It's disappointing they couldn't convince him to want to stay.
     
  13. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    You’re comparing players that are genuine proven club legends to a player that never played for us.

    Him being “the best striker the club has on their books” is purely a matter of opinion, not fact.

    There is literally no proof of it whatsoever, Andre Grey has more pedigree in the championship and has played at a higher level as well.

    To compare the value to clubs of players like Grealish and Zaha to the value of player who never actually played for us is absolutely ludicrous, surely you can see that?
     
  14. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Maybe people can meet in the middle perhaps? I do think there is a lot of animosity between Watford fans at the moment which is a shame.
     
  15. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Again. He’s not actually doing that. He doesn’t think Suarez is worth £80m or even £25m for that matter. He merely thinks we got a bad deal. So do I - at the deal struck I’d rather hardball him or loan him with no option to buy.

    No idea why you are so aggressive about this difference of opinion.
     
  16. How can you possibly say he's the best striker after a few goals in the Spanish backwaters and has never even played for us ? And you compare his importance to that of Grealish who was already their star and a lifelong fan ? You can't make a worse comparison than Grealish an Suarez.
     
  17. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    For the love of god - I am not comparing him to them at all. I am just giving examples of clubs valuing players at more than what others are willing to pay.

    Your idea that players are only worth what others will pay is just a load of *****. They are worth what the selling club choose to sell them for, and in this case I think we have chosen to sell him for too little.

    Andre Gray is also 29 and has been on a downwards trend for the last two years since he joined us. Suarez is 22 and an improving player. Just like there is no guarantee Suarez will step up, there is no guarantee Andre Gray will return to the form he had for Brentford 5 odd years ago.
     
  18. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    I seriously think some people do hate the Pozzo’s based on some things posted. But yes it is an over simplification, you’re right. I think the problem is that the same debate goes on so endlessly that it’s difficult not to pick one side, it is for me anyway. Not that along ago I was trying to argue for a balanced more nuanced approach but now I’m increasingly believing that I am an evil COG without being sure what it means. I think we are increasingly a metaphor of American society.
     
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  19. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I’m not aggressive, I just think any comparisons between club legends and someone who never actually played for us are erroneous/wide of the mark/unhelpful. You always strike me as someone who is pretty reasoned and level headed, so surely you can appreciate that? I mean as comparisons go I don’t think you can get much worse.
     
  20. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    Please tell me how I am comparing them? As said above - I am just giving examples of why a club may value a players at more than what others are willing to pay.

    I am saying that because I think that the rest of our strikers are dogshit. Joao Pedro looks like he may very well be a decent striker, but again all he has done to date is score a few goals in Brazillian backwaters
     
  21. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Don’t disagree with your overall point but this new theme of describing Segunda as “Spanish backwaters” is truly odd.
     
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  22. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Uh oh, the bald men are arguing over a comb again.
     
  23. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    But you did compare them?

    You gave examples of players who were worth more in transfer fees to their clubs, than another club would be willing to pay for them.

    Those players happened to be club legends, in comparison to a player who never actually played for their club.

    If you want to make your point, give us all an example of a player who was worth more to their club than any other club would buy them for, but who never actually set foot on the pitch for them...

    I’m all ears.
     
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  24. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    It’s what Friday nights were made for friend.
     
  25. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    While I take your point, we know it’s a depressed market at the moment. It may well be that a lot of the bigger clubs who were looking at him know he’s worth more than £10m but couldn’t make the finances work on a deal. Some are also saying the player only wanted to go to Granada so others may have offered more and had the move turned down by the player.
     
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  26. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    Maybe and hopefully. But it’s probably not going to be helped by you making out other people are pretty pathetic and telling them how to post. But it’s similarly not going to be helped by some of the things I post. I’m not sure that peace is going to break out anytime soon.

    I increasingly consider I have 2 options:

    1. Get a COG tattoo and embrace the confrontation and the bantz. Whilst also enjoying the other benefits of this forum.

    2. Have the courage to admit I shouldn’t be spending so much time on this forum and either quit or give myself an enforced long term break
     
  27. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    Most normal clubs obviously don't have some of their most valuable players out on loan and never play them.

    However, if you must have an example, Brighton turned down £25m+ bids for Ben White from Leeds when he had played 2 games for them 2 years ago in the EFL cup. We turned down bids for Cucho when he had never played for us.
     
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  28. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Or 3. Say how you feel, post what you want and fight your corner. None of it is personal abuse so should be water off a ducks back really.
     
  29. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    There may be some extremes on here, but I personally dont have any issue with people supporting the Pozzos. I just have an issue with the absolute blind faith some have for them them just the same as I would have an issue with someone who ignored the positives like Ngakia, Joao Pedro etc.
     
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  30. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    I’m not offended by anything and quite enjoy the confrontational side. My problem is myself, in that I’m a bit addicted to the forum and find it hard to stay out of debates. I’m spending too much time here and it’s massively compounded by working from home and relative lockdown.
     
  31. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    What price would you guys have been happy with, out of interest? £15m?
     
  32. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Yep think that sounds par in current market. I’m more disappointed with the Estupinan and Doucoure fees than this one.
     
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  33. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I think only time will tell what par is though, who knows the damage Covid will do in the long run.

    I can’t wait for the next TV rights auction anyway.
     
  34. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro


    In fact spontaneous decision, I’m out of here. I’m gonna reset my password now to a random set of letters so I can’t log on anymore in order to cure my addiction. Might come back at some future point and review in the new year.

    Adios amigos, have fun.

    Love and kisses and COYH

    Pob
     
  35. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    But if the head coach picks him, do you think he will play competitively to get the win for the team? That was my point, and as you say he is likely to be here this season.
     
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