Lionel Messi

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by hornetboy1, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well he would be one striker Mariappa is actually taller than!

    Doyley used to be good against tricky quick players...
     
  2. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Is Messi tricky and quick ? I guess some would say, a little ....
     
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  3. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    The only football he's played apart from Barcelona is for Argentina, and he's been shyte everytime.

    Meanwhile Ronaldo has won titles everywhere he goes, including with an awful national side. And more importantly is an utter dreamboat while messi looks like stig of the dump
     
  4. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Messi is obviously incredible, but I do think his decision to remain in his perfect, little comfort zone his entire career taints his legacy a bit.

    Everything about Barcelona is designed and maintained to create the perfect environment for him to continue to flourish, and he has chosen to continue with that easy option rather that strive to silence any doubters and go and do it all again in another league, which is disappointing.
     
  5. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    This shows how little you have watched him or understand football. The same applies to your comment Nath. Playing for Barcelona is not exactly playing in a comfort zone particularly when he has dug them out of holes many times. Minus him Barcelona are altogether a weaker proposition. If he came to the PL how would that be coming out of his comfort zone. Or indeed any other major league ? You seriously don't expect he would turn out for Frosinone, Augsburg or Huddersfield in an attempt to prove himself ? He has nothing to prove.

    IBB made the comment that he is not the GOAT. That it is a two man era. Ronaldo ? A great goal scorer yes. A great player ? No. Messi does what he does and far more and is the team player. I used to think Maradona was untouchable but in recent years Messi as far as I am concerned has equalled and surpassed him in some respects. People level his lack of success with Argentina. During his time with the national team he has had one excellent coach in Sabella and a decent one in Martino. The rest, Maradona, Basile, Batista and Sampaoli have failed miserably in picking the best players around him, using some strange tactics and his own team mates at times have not made use of the space afforded to them when he is double or triple marked. They seem in awe and expect him to do everything.

    And if Gonzalo Higuain was actually a world class striker like a Batistuta or Crespo rather than a good club striker Messi would already have three major titles under his belt. I am still amazed anyone seems to think Ronaldo is even close to Messi. No one would describe Gerd Muller as a great player. A great striker yes. But great players have lot's of what can be described as intangibles than just the statistics. Messi is an incomparable dribbler, passer, finisher and when required header of the ball. He lifts his team mates and if they were better than they are he would have smashed every conceivable record in the book already.

    In tennis Federer is matched to a degree in accomplishments by Nadal and Djokovic. But Federer has that style, that grace, the ability to pull off the unexpected and almost anything that if you wanted to watch one all the time it would be him. He makes things look effortless as does Messi. Granted as with all great players that does require a lot of work. Messi has worked hard on improving himself all the time but he also has that rare gift of super anticipation that sets him above the rest. For me his legacy s not tainted but it is a shame that with Argentina he has had his career blighted by terrible coaches and bad luck in 2014 with Aguero barely fit, di Maria injured and the mentally weak Higuain to form the attack when in the previous two years the same formula of a tight defence but lethal counter attack had swept all before them under Sabella's shrewd management.
     
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  6. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Well that is your opinion. Just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean that they "don't understand football". Claiming such things simply devalues your post.

    I think Ronaldo is superior and pulls teams up single handed. Messi is brilliant but somewhat a flat track bully who operates in his comfortable bubble. I'm sure you'll now inform me how little I understand football.

    I also prefer to watch Federer but think Djokovic is superior as an all round player across all surfaces. Just because Federer is graceful doesn't make him better. These are simply opinions so I hope they don't upset you too much.
     
  7. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Your statement Ronaldo is superior and pulls teams up single handed is laughable. That Messi is a flat track bully is also laughable. He has scored and dominated against all of the current crop of Europe's so called elite.

    There is an aesthetic quality to sport. The Soviet Union in ice hockey, Fiji at rugby sevens, the US in basketball. They make it transcend sport into an art by making it effortless. Brazil may not have won in 1982 or Argentina in 2006 but they played beautiful passing football with style and grace.

    How Ronaldo is superior when he is an inferior dribbler, passer and playmaker beggars belief.
     
  8. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    We know you laud Messi. If some of us think Ronaldo is superior it isnot “laughable”. You simply have a different opinion. It’s childish to claim superiority on something that is subjective.
     
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  9. Happy yellow

    Happy yellow Academy Graduate

    There is no doubt that Ronaldo and Messi are both equally effective at their main job which is to score goals and inspire their teammates around them. From an aesthetic point of view - which is subjective - Messi is the superior player. Its not possible to make a statistic out of flair or style. I prefer the way Messi plays the game, the link up play, the dribbles, the lack of ego. Ronaldo often in his career seems a big ego, often showing too much emotion, diving and moaning often too.

    The idea that Messi needs to prove himself somewhere else or to win the world cup though is just looking for a weakness. Football is not an individual sport and no footballer is going to have a career that is perfect. Pele himself has his detractors as he stayed in the safety of his club side of Santos throughout his career, never proving himself in the tougher leagues of Europe or the European cup, before briefly playing in the weak US league. He won three world cups apparently but one of those ( in 1962) he played only in the opening match before missing the rest of the tournament through injury. Brazil were so good that they won the world cup without Pele. To an extent Pele won the world cup because he was part of a great team not because he was a great individual. Puskas ( possibly the best striker in Europe ever) never won the world cup, only finishing as a runner up, johan cryff only ever finished as a runner up. Ronaldo himself has never got beyond the world cup semi final with Portugal, and only won the European Championship final when he wasnt even playing. Maradonna is remembered as winning the world cup ' on his own' in 1986 which isnt true as the manager implemented a - at the time - revolutionary 3-5-2 system and Maradonna was supported by having some very good defenders in the team. Also Maradonna failed at three other world cups which Messi's detractors often dont mention. Its not possible to win the world cup on your own in a team sport. Messi has been in the 2010 and 2018 World cups under the guises of a hopeless manager. He has still finished runner up once and that is equal to Puskas and Cryff while is superior to Ronaldo, George Best and Eusebio.
     
  10. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Messi and Ronaldo are both fabulous players, but here’s the difference between them. As football fans, if only we had his physique, power, dedication, will to win and self-belief, in our fantasies we can imagine ourselves doing what Ronaldo does on the pitch. However the things that Messi does at his best are baffling and sometimes seem magical. With his speed of thought and absolute control over his body and a football he achieves things we can never dream of doing. For that reason I must put him just one notch above Ronaldo and regard him as the best I have ever seen in 50 years of watching the game.
     
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  11. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    What's Messi's excuse for losing 3-1 to Venezuela?

    ANOTHER poor manager?
     
  12. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    No. The fact Pereyra only played 12 minutes.
     
  13. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member


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    Once again the clear standout player in Europe this season despite what his detractors say.
     
  14. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

  15. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Clearly still the best player in the world.

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  16. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Europe top scorer. Barcelona top scorer. Thanks for that useful bit of secondary info.
     
  17. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    La Liga top scorer and the Pichichi award are the same thing.
     
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  18. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Also, Barcelona? Just meh. I’ve no idea why they’re seen as different or better than the other mega clubs.
     
  19. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    I must really irk him that everyone prefers Ronaldo.

    No international cups, no care.
     
  20. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    What magnificent insight you bring to the forum. You really are a miserable individual. From laughing any time Udinese lose to a host of other negative pronouncements.

    For what it's worth the vast majority of coaches and top level players prefer Messi. As for the international cups a host of some of the finest players in history like Puskas and Cruyff have also failed to win an international cup. It does not make them any the less for it for being recognized as legends of the game. For anyone with a love of football irrespective of their allegiance it's a joy to watch a player of his ability and a sad time when he retires. These people have more magnanimity and spirit than some here on the forum.

    As for you Filbert the biggest clubs will always get their hands on the best youngsters regardless. Messi was hardly going to turn up at Watford for instance as a fourteen year old. Cambiasso only turned up at Leicester in the twilight of his career and he was already at Real Madrid when a youngster.

    And football is a team game. People still bang on about Messi in the Argentina shirt. Managers do make a difference. One player no matter how great they are can not make a difference if the manager does not know what he is doing, picks players who are completely out of form or over the hill and changes tactics constantly.

    Messi has had one decent manager in Sabella and to an extent Martino and it looks like Scaloni is making the right choices with choosing a new core of young players something that some of the idiots he has been managed like Maradona, Bauza and Sampaoli who had no idea at all how to manage. And repeating the point about it being a team game if someone like Higuain could finish under pressure (decent club striker awful under the highest pressure) as compared to Batistuta these stupid conversations would already be at an end.


    Even these awards are meaningless. Anyone who has watched the game a long time or has an appreciation of it's history knows Messi is the best player of the last decade. And one of the greatest of all time.
     
  21. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    The thing that makes me roar with laughter is that as soon as he leaves his comfort blanket of Barcelona, he's found out massively. He's anonymous almost every time he pulls on the Argentina shirt and is too much of a coward to prove himself at anywhere other than the best team in the world!

    Detach him from the barca teat and he's just shaqiri with a worse haircut.

    Meanwhile Ronaldo has won trophies in multiple countries and guided a dreadful national side to triumph.

    I just fkin LOL at messi fanboys. And LMAO, not to mention PMSL.
     
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  22. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    For me, it really comes down to one thing. As a normal, entirely average bloke, if you’re given the option to be Messi for a day, or Ronaldo for a day, you’re picking Ronaldo every single time.

    It’s not even close.

    Messi is a brilliant footballer, no doubt, but Ronaldo is just a ******* hero all over, top to bottom.
     
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  23. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Does it make you ROFL?

    The whole thing is ******** anyway, Jamie Vardy is better than both of them.
     
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  24. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    You have not got a clue. Either you are a miserable WUM or truly ignorant. Probably both.
     
  25. PotGuy

    PotGuy Forum Fetishist

    Vardy is just a poor man's will hoskins
     
  26. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Will bloody Hoskins.

    I have a little thing with a mate where we try to think of the most random mid noughties footballer you can and you send a message saying ‘when was the last time you thought about X?’

    You have just given me my next player, thank you very much.

    In case you’re interested the last three were Callum Davenport, Daniel Nardiello and Chris Zebrowski.
     
  27. PotGuy

    PotGuy Forum Fetishist

    I think Sean St Ledger sits happily in that club. Or Jason Jarrett.
     
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  28. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

  29. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

  30. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    ....or maybe not...??
     
  31. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Has this **** joined yet?
     
  32. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    He's 33, how many more years can he perform at the level he currently does? I'd say you'll get 2 max.
     
  33. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    It's 100% guaranteed this cowardly quasimodo looking ratbag will do a U turn and stay at barcelona, or leave for a joke league like the USA or China.

    Meanwhile Ronaldo continues to win titles and wet panties in multiple countries.

    LMAO.
     
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  34. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Toys out of the pram from Messi again. As much as I’d like to see him playing in England, I hope Barca dig their heels in and get the best price they can.
     
  35. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    100% a power play by Messi, he will stay at Barca.
     

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