[NOT HAPPENING] Lewis Ferguson

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by Burnsy, May 16, 2021.

  1. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    You'll take £3m including add ons.
     
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  2. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport...ws/derek-mcinnes-makes-scott-mckenna-22714174

    This article suggests you signed 2 CB's for a combined fee of £400k to replace McKenna in September last year. And the £3m+ you pocketed from that deal was used to balance the books. The pandemic has been ongoing since then which would suggest you have more balancing of books left to do no?

    I suspect the truth in this deal lies somewhere in the middle - we have low-balled you with an offer and now Aberdeen are publicly posturing to try and get a bit more money. But if you believe that you'll get anything north of £3.5m for the WHOLE deal, I suspect you'll be disappointed in the weeks to follow.

    I don't say that to be antagonistic - but you kept McKenna for another year because you were only denying him a move to a then-Championship level Aston Villa. And being pre-covid, you probably could afford to say no for a bit longer. But denying this lad a move to the PL and also denying yourselves a decent, if admittedly on-the-low-side fee, is another matter entirely.

    There's just no way you will get the type of fee from us that Forest paid you for McKenna.
     
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  3. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Hope we move on from this mediocre no mark.
     
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  4. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    I think we should just off 10 mill and get it over and done with, the price-tag alongside some poor performances in the Caraboob cup would make him a front runner for boo boy.
     
  5. Dr. Roland

    Dr. Roland Academy Graduate

    The giddy heights of John McGinn, some time in the future, potentially.
     
  6. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Not just that, but other clubs are skint now. Realistically, Ferguson is probably the midfield version of Ken Sema at the moment, good in the Championship, but not quite good enough for the Prem (yet anyway), would any club realistically pay £6m for a player like that? £2-3m, with a sell-on clause seems fair enough
     
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  7. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Tbf John McGinn is a good player, I'd love to have him at the Vic!
     
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  8. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Yes and sold him for less than what you originally wanted. Sold him for £3mil with £2mil in add ons. Villa offered you £7mil upfront and you rejected it. Player requested a move, you said no, kept him and sold him less. Don’t pretend that you keeping Ferguson is good thing. You will get less for him than what you will now. He has handed in a transfer request, and severely damaged any dreams you may have of a high fee.
     
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  9. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    Then you won't sign him.

    Villa's offer was a loan with an option to buy for £6m. On the last day, or the day before the end of the transfer window. Rightly rejected, because we would have been left with no money or time to replace him, and no guaranteed income.
     
  10. Dr. Roland

    Dr. Roland Academy Graduate

    He's a good midfield option but if that's the potential ceiling ...meh,whatever.
     
  11. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Fair play to the Aberdeen fan on here for continuing to respond in a reasonable way to some pretty weird posts.
     
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  12. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I respect what you’re saying.

    However, every report, website and statistics outlet suggest his value is in the £2m-£4m bracket.

    Yet yours is the only claim I can see that says no one gets him unless they give you a deal for £6m+. There’s literally nowhere or no one I can find who shares that valuation. When you factor in the players clear desire to make the move and the fact the market is financially restricted due to the pandemic, I just don’t think it’s a case that Aberdeen hold all the cards.

    Whether you blame his agent or not is largely irrelevant. A written request has been handed in so it’s not been done on a whim - and the player won’t have done anything just because his agent says so. That’s too romanticised a view.
     
  13. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    Aberdeen are our new rivals?
     
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  14. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    I, equally, respect what you're saying. I disagree however. Transfer request or not, his contract is (presumably) legally binding. As such we have no obligation to sell, nor any dire need to. As I've intimated, I seriously doubt we'll force Ferguson to see out his 3 years, but equally we won't be short changed. The simple economics of football dictates that Ferguson's value will triple (if not more) as soon as he signs for an EPL club. Why shouldn't we hold out for as much as we can.


    We gave Burnley a damn good game a couple of years ago in the Europa qualifiers. We've been on the slide for a few years though, so I wouldn't fancy our chances right now, but I'd still enjoy a competitive match.

    Ferguson scored an overhead kick at Turf Moor now I remember...
     
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  15. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I'm not at all debating why you shouldn't hold out for as much as you can - you should.

    But you equally can't ignore the mitigating circumstances which make it seem like a transfer is now likely.
    And again, I can't see where you are getting the valuation you place on him when no one has stated he's worth that much.

    I actually wish it were the case that Aberdeen held all the cards here. Thats how it should be and contracts that are signed should be respected. But its a romanticised view that doesn't take it account the burgeoning power that players now hold over their own careers. Once a player gets to the point of trying to force a move, the balance of power starts to move away from the club. It's not right, but it is reality more and more often.

    If Aberdeen withstand that, more power to them I say. But I don't think you will personally and I think a deal will be done for somewhere between what we have offered and the value being placed on him in the media. Any amount higher than that is wishful thinking I suspect.
     
  16. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Who do Aberdeen think they are? It's disgusting the way they're holding Ferguson hostage like this.
     
  17. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Not according to Sky Sports

    “while Aberdeen rejected a £7m bid from Aston Villa two years ago.” This was stated on their report when he signed for Forest. No mention of a loan deal with option to buy.


    From another report. No mention of option to buy. Clearly states the move would be made permanent in January. Loan yes, option to buy, no. “Aberdeen have rejected a bid for £7 million from Aston Villa for Scott McKenna, which would have seen the defender move to the English club on loan before a permanent deal in January.”

    Bottom line is, you lost out on more money because you held him back.
     
  18. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    I'm not for a minute suggesting the transfer won't happen. I actually want it to, to be honest. He's a quality young player, and deserves a shot. I just want Aberdeen to get a fair return for an extremely gifted young player. Hamilton will get 5% as well as a "solidarity payment".

    I guess we'll just wait and see how it plays out. Chances are we won't ever get an official statement of the fee anyway. So we'll just have to wait and see what...

    ...say.

    [​IMG]
     
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  19. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    He looks like an ok option, I don’t think he is as good as hughes or chalobah. 3m looks about right for him, with a 20% on profit of sale or something. Maybe a bonus if he makes an appearance for Scotland.

    As for how some of these Scottish teams would do in the English football pyramid. Rangers and Celtic would probably end up middle of the range premier league clubs. Some of the bigger clubs like hibs, hearts and Aberdeen might survive in the championship. The rest are pretty dross and would fill out league 1.
     
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  20. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    It's an interesting discussion. I think you're broadly right in your assessment. The thing about the Scottish top league (I still refuse to call it the "Premiership"); outside of the Old Firm and 'Rangers', most teams can beat one another on their day. If you put them in the English leagues though, you'd definitely see the spread you mention. Three years ago, I'd have had Aberdeen competing for promotion out of the Championship; perhaps a playoff spot. On the basis of the past season, we'd be lucky not to get relegated.

    If you gave it 5 or 10 years of the influx of wealth in the English game, you'd probably see Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen competing with the likes of your Southamptons, and Newcastles etc.

    Despite being a Nat, I'd love to see the league cups replaced with a British and Irish cup.
     
  21. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    We will have a price in mind for him. I assume we thought we could get him on the cheap and Aberdeen are standing their ground (as is their right).

    Don't really care for players who kick up a stink like this to get a move - but it obviously depends what the club told him / his agent.

    Can't pretend I have watched much of him, but I honestly don't see him as anywhere near Hughes / Chalobah at the moment so much anything over £3m and we should just walk away.
     
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  22. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    Admittedly, I don't watch a lot of English football*, especially the lower leagues. My opinion (and that's all it is) of Ferguson is based on watching him compared to others, specifically McGinn. I always thought McGinn was a decent player for St Mirren and Hibs. I think I'm probably right in saying he wasn't nearly as good as Ferguson aged 21 (I think he was still at St Mirren then?). That said, I could be tripping balls; having two kids under 2 and a full time job will do that to you.

    McGinn's improvement in the past two years has been utterly astounding. My unqualified opinion is that Ferguson has more potential (even more than his Dad and his Uncle :confused:) than McGinn, and with the right coaching, he'll go on to be a seriously good player. He's not a generational talent, make no mistake, but he's got the physique, drive, and the baseline ability to make a go of it in the EPL imo.

    *Edit: If I was going to watch English football, it would be the lower leagues to be fair. Can't stand the Premiership. (Or La Liga for that matter)
     
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  23. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Absolutely, you don't exist as Premier League clubs' feeder club, if you feel he's that integral to your side, reject anything lower than a fee rising to £6m plus a sell-on percentage. Maybe 2 years ago a player of his calibre would have gone for that fee, but nobody is paying that now, and while Ferguson is younger than Doucoure when he was at his peak for us, when you try holding out for huge fees, you risk unsettling the player and them losing value. I don't know anything about the lad mind you, you might not get what you want and he'll come roaring back to form with you for all I know
     
  24. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    Somewhat perversely, I'd quite like for Aberdeen to be an EPL feeder team. It would mean our youth system is doing its job. Regularly selling players into the EPL would start to make up the deficit in income between ourselves and the Old Firm and 'Rangers'.
     
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  25. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    I think the issue from a Watford perspective is that we aren't really in in a position to spend a reasonable chunk of money on a player who might be PL quality in the future. That is obviously not Aberdeen's problem, but I am just explaining my concerns.

    Scottish Premier league to Premier league is a big step up because most of the league is pretty awful. McGinn had time in the championship to develop before stepping up again to the PL. I would be very surprised if Ferguson comes in and replaces either Hughes or Chalobah and thus improves the squad, and so unless he is available for not much more than £2m or so, I don't think it makes sense for us.
     
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  26. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Hasn't been the same since Morse “left”.
    It’s a “No” from me.
     
  27. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    How about £3m and we'll throw in a friendly so Aberdeen fans get to see a big team for once.
     
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  28. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    Who would the friendly be against?
     
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  29. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Watford U23s.
     
  30. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    Stiff competition. :eek:
     
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  31. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Not really, they're *****.
     
  32. neverforgetboxingday

    neverforgetboxingday Academy Graduate

    Off to Rangers according to some media reports.
     
  33. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    Whatever Watford pay, the filth pay triple.
     
  34. Hairyfrog

    Hairyfrog Squad Player

    Well at first I thought you wanted a serious conversation, but apparently you can't see the bltently obvious.
    HE HAS PUT IN A TRANSFER REQUEST...... That means HE DOESN'T WANT TO STAY.
     
  35. Illgresi

    Illgresi Academy Graduate

    AND THAT means f*ck ALL.
     
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