"Where was the anger?" he asks quite rightly . Well I'm angry at no opposition I'm angry at the Labour mob getting bogged down with 1st world problems which in turn let's this catastrophe of a Govt off the hook
I agree, but it’s not Labour taking £20 off universal credit. Not them cooking up a shambles of everything practical that only a few years ago was easy. If all we do is concentrate on Labour’s many failings, we’ll simply get Boris again.
But it is Labours failings making them unelectable for many Populism is a dirty word but no one ever gets elected by being unpopular It is my opinion that I believe the Labour party/ unions etc have been infiltrated at the top in order to create a one party state status quo I believe people like Ash Sarkar are no more than 5th columnists provoking the lowest common denominator in society with provocative and cryptic tweets who then plays the victim card when the above respond and the coup de grace a blanket condemnation of a major voting target . End result : Bojo in no.10 despite being a buffoon Winding up the electorate is not a great strategy neither is calling the UK "this cursed country" But she's alright tho, mixes in polite circles and has bundles in the bank ....
Seems extraordinary to me to dislike someone like Ash when there is so much other choice. When we have a ruling party blatantly lying about their agenda. You can find her annoying, but she’s not taking money from the Russians or taking money from the poorest. The cervix issue shows Labour’s problem with this view of politics that just wants to talk about culture. Right wing women are driving the criticisms of Labour about its trans position. Very few in Labour are interested in it, but these relentless people keep on with their transphobia and when Labour answers following the law it is accused of being obsessed by it. Shameful ****. No woman is being disadvantaged by trans women. Almost no working class women care what trans people do. Levelling up is the topic.
Would you would have spent half of ww2 complaining that its the allies fault for not stopping the Nazi's committing genocide?
You recognise the problem, but you seem to think that it only becomes an issue when others both see it AND pay some attention to it. It is not right wing women protesting, but women like Rosie Duffield, standing up to authoritarian marxism who do not wish to be subject to extreme identitarianism. How can they campaign for women's rights when they are basically being told that anyone can be a woman? How can they say that women are so intrinsically different to men, that they should be treated differently, when (misogynyst) men are telling them "Nah, I'm just as much a woman as you are." Women have been assaulted by lesbians with penises. You can say the victims were not 'disadvantaged' but the stone cold fact is they were put in that position because all the penis toting lesbian had to do was declare they were a woman. As it becomes the norm for men to do so, do you think more or less will take advantage of a law that allows a cat to place itself among the pigeons? Most women are not concerned with trans issues, it is true, but it is also the most misogynystic argument for women to shut up and do their knitting imaginable. Most women are not concerned about being run over by a bus until it happens. What a trite, dismissive attitude to womens concerns that you clearly have made no attempt to actually understand, but instead seek to dismiss because it is politically convenient to do so. Are you starting to understand Rosie Duffield's position now? Only around one percent of people are trans. Yet every woman is being told their sex is meaningless, and that because of that one percent, they must accept men into their safe environments, and just hope they are genuine. It puts genuinely trans women at risk just as much as it does biological women. But I guess they should just listen to men like you, who tell them its a fuss about nothing. I have massive respect for genuine trans people who go through the most incredible process because of their genuine beliefs, but when all it takes for a person to walk into women's spaces and take advantage of the vulnerable, is to change their clothes, we must consider the concerns of those affected. We certainly should not dismiss them, as you have done. Sexual assault on women, or misogynystic dismissal of a woman's worth, is seldom driven by whether or not they are right wing, and it seems disgusting that some people try to dismiss women's concerns in such a way. But thankfully, at Labour conference, women did stand up for their rights over trans rights, even if they were attacked for doing so.
Talk about cervixes, imaginary assaults, Labour, Labour, Labour anything but levelling up, because there is little but fig leaf here.
I was discussing your comments, so if there was any change of direction, it is you that steered it, so again, please stop complaining about your own behaviour on the forum. Fact is, I have addressed and countered every point you made with valid arguments, and your response is ad hominem. You appear not to have any argument once challenged. Levelling up is happening, I'll comment on it if it fails, but given the disruption of covid, I am going to give them a chance First. Imaginary assault? Ask Rosie Duffield and Ian Duncan Smith. You can dismiss it, just remember your virtue signalling recently regarding ignoring the issues around assault on women. Should readers take it that you believe some assault is appropriate when political needs must? Contradictory attitudes on a political whim from a single poster do not go unnoticed, I am sure. There is a big butted fig leaf here, and I expect more from you as the days pass.
Fact is for all the blather about levelling up the poor have nothing tangible whatsoever to take from it. This winter all will be worse off. But Boris has his fourth holiday of the year. Hooray!
Fair opinions. Interesting that you can't even bring yourself to reply directly to me, despite my comments being made directly to the subjects you have brought up. It seems to be the forum equivalent to not being able to look a person in the eye. But Boris is on his fourth holiday, and you are still denying assault and threats by Labour on people they disagree with, and claim that systemic racism and misogynysm enacted at conference either never happened or is not worth bothering about. How many holidays does Boris have to take before Labour supporters start to acknowledge what is going on, rather than speculate the worst about everything that might happen, but historically hasn't happened, over the last seven years?
If you want to start a thread for transphobes, because that’s what spreading fears about them is, then do so. But this is a thread about levelling up.
As I say, I was only following the subjects you had brought up in this thread about levelling up. If you replied to the posts where I attempt to discuss the other things, rather than obliquely discuss them in other threads (where you then criticise me for following a subject you yourself brought up), then things would have a better chance of staying in their intended place. Anything about levelling up at the moment is pure speculation, as I addressed above. You saying it is a disaster is as hollow, pointless and unconvincing as if I said it will be a smasher and solve all our problems. It has barely even started, and it is clear that you have as little to say on the subject as I have. All you have done is post a comedy sketch on the subject, then start talking about cervixes, using levelling up as a shield against defending what appears to be misogyny and disregard for women's health in your posts above. Again, you are complaining about your own behaviour.
Sorry, I missed your inference that I am a transphobe. Please quote where I say anything that might be considered transphobic (I can't for the life of me see it myself) and I will retract it immediately, should they be what you accuse me of. I have already pointed out what I considered to be your misogyny, so you can ponder that at your leisure. I do not fear or hate trans people at all, and nothing I have said even vaguely hints that. I hate the marxist, identitarian trans lobby, who represent a fraction of the trans community, and, most telling against your claim that dislike of those activists equals transphobia, the lobby is made up of far more non-trans people than it is trans. More power to trans people to have their voices heard without contamination by marxists. Down with political oportunists who adopt a cause for their own ends, and don't give a damn about anyone who disagrees with them Even when they are trans.
You talk wildly and disproportionately of assaults, as if these are not vanishingly rare and certainly rarer than those by heterosexual men on women. You dismiss trans people as ‘Lesbians with penises’. You come across as anti-trans because you bend over backwards to exaggerate and peddle negatives. A phobia isn’t a hate, it’s an irrational fear. That’s you that is. Start a thread on it if you must, but that’s my last word on it here. This is about levelling up. People will note how subjects like transgender are used to distract from Tory failures in this way.
And it is a failure. Johnson’s admission at conference was that the Tories have failed. 11 years and the Country is less equal across every dimension. We can judge whether it means it by its actions. Triumphant about wage rises in a small number of sectors only, wiped out by inflation. The poorest immediately facing a £20 cut. The Government appears indifferent other than as a slogan.
So it was my second guess, some assaults on women are acceptable if it is politically convenient to ignore them. Your own words. Don't blame me for what you say. Lesbians with penises who assault women with said penises are heterosexual men taking advantage of a law that allows them to act in such a way, as far as I am concerned. And it should be freely debated by all the women that wish to do so, no matter what your male opinion is. If you don't want it discussed on here, don't bring it up on here. Stop blaming me for what you have done.
I didn’t say it though so don’t lie. The law deals with assaults. You stirring up fear and hate helps no woman on Earth. I’d like the mods to note this continued attempt to take this thread off topic.
Where you took the subject onto cervixes "so don't lie". You won't reply on threads where it is being discussed, you then bring it up on other threads. then attempt to shield yourself from response by saying, off topic. Your comments, dismissing right wing women as the source of transphobia, deserved to be challenged, as well as your complete dismissal otherwise of any criticism as transphobic, whether it comes from Rosie Duffield (who you accuse of being transphobic, if you accuse me) or any other member of the Labour party. Like I say, stop blaming me for your own behaviour on here. I pray the mods see through what you are doing here, once again.
Back to levelling up. And it is a failure. Johnson’s admission at conference was that the Tories have failed. 11 years and the Country is less equal across every dimension. We can judge whether it means it by its actions. Triumphant about wage rises in a small number of sectors only, wiped out by inflation. The poorest immediately facing a £20 cut. The Government appears indifferent to levelling up other than as a slogan.
Err, I think you miss-understand. He is fairly saying that the tories have been a failure, and levelling up is how they are going to get the country back on track. That said, as I have mentioned before, my measure of the country working is the fact that young professionals in the NHS who work hard enough are comfortably able to start families and homes and have been able to do so for the last ten years. I can also say that friends and acqaintences of mine who are employed by private companies, or who own and run their own, are doing equally well, if not, in a few cases, extremely well. I would say that if they can do that in and around London, then something is working Social care is something that does need work for sure, but that is in their plans as well. Development outside of the Southeast has been much discussed. I think Boris's confession is a good point to start working from, assuming that the covid crisis is on its way out. If he is saying the same in two years time, I'll agree with you. Otherwise, I'll have to say again, give this Government, which is very different to the two tory governments that preceded it, a chance. The problem for the country is not that the tories can fail in their endevours, but that there is no opposition that provides any kind of viable alternative. Tories failing is, because of the state of the Labour party, still percieved as likely to be less damaging than a Labour government failing - and who can argue that has not historically been the precedent?.
Ah yes, levelling up. I’d like to get a train from Manchester to Leeds please. Why? Lord knows. Maybe I live around there. Just tell me when it’s coming will you?
