[CONFIRMED] Juraj Kucka

1. I don’t think it says that now, so let them move on.
2. Calm down will you?

 

I will not calm down with you. But let's leave it.

As for BLM UK, the Q&A is from Feb 2021. If their messaging has changed since then fair enough.

 

Why can't it continue forever? Isn't that the point? For as long as they feel their is a racial divide in football, that they will continue doing it.

 

I normally don't care whether a player chooses to take the knee or not, but because of all this **** that has been said about Kucka not taking the knee on Saturday I really hope he continues not to take it all season, why the **** should he

 

The second part of your sentence completely contradicts the first as does your tone.

And are you not the VOR who on 7 December 2020 wrote that taking the knee ‘should not be allowed’?

 

You only have to look at the response of the Millwall fans after their players ditched the knee gesture and instead held aloft anti-racism banners to see that simply isn't true.
Taking the knee isn't some ancient rite. It was widely adopted in this country as part of the escalation of the Black Lives Matter movement following the death of George Floyd. After Floyd's murder organisations such as the Premier League - presumably worried about being perceived as insufficiently anti-racist - tethered themselves to BLM. For a while, football stadiums and TV broadcasts were dripping with BLM branding if you remember. I believe Troy Deeney's partner designed the BLM logo that - for a few matches - was added to club shirts. It was only when someone pointed out that BLM wasn't a particularly pleasant group that the EPL desperately tried to row back from its relationship and the lie that taking the knee has nothing to do with BLM but, is, in fact, a symbol that promotes racial harmony, was born.
I am sure some people boo taking the knee because they don't like black people. But the overwhelming majority are simply expressing their disgust for BLM and their view that politics should be kept out of football.

 

Kucka only cost us £150k. Option for a second year as well. Looks like decent business after his first showing.

 

Because we know it won't continue forever. A few will stop kneeling (like the 2 wfc players on saturday). Then a few more. Questions will be asked of those who don't bother to kneel anymore. We'll get to a point where 5 or 6 of each team will kneel while the others are milling around chatting.

 

Thread derail?

 

It's been a while since you've embarrassed yourself, welcome back

 

Simply put I think by having the stance you have, you're accusing Ismaila Sarr, for example, or being too stupid to decide for himself what taking the knee means to him.

But I think it's clear we're never going to agree or change our views so not much point carrying on the discussion.

 

You massive massive racist. That's the narrative we're suppose to take, isn't it?

Agreed with every word.

 

How do ‘we’ know this? As far as I can see, we have 2 players from 11 who have made their decision - and this after a summer of discourse about it. Despite all the press, 9 players from our side decided to carry on taking a knee. Why would that suddenly change? Why would any of our players suddenly change their stance on the matter if they don’t believe the reasoning for doing it has lessened?

Just simply saying ‘ah as time goes on, they will get bored of it’ doesn’t really carry much value as far as I can see. The players are free to make up their own minds - but there’s hardly huge swathes of players abandoning it. In the scheme of things, the numbers are limited. I’d say we are almost at the point where those who are doing it, will continue to do it. I don’t see much evidence at all of a huge change in attitude towards it?

I really don’t believe it will get to the stage you think it will without fundamental changes in attitude towards racial equality from footballing authorities. If anything, I think the players taking part will feel emboldened to continue or to even take a stronger stance.

 

So what exactly does the deal look like, a year loan with the option to sign a permanent one year deal when the season ends?

 

Someone had to do it!

 

I find the idea that anyone needs to express ‘disgust’ for BLM utterly bizarre.

 

I suspect there'll be loads more who aren't particularly keen on it, or simply don't care much either way, but don't want to rock the boat - so simply stay as sheep and go along with it.

But as soon as a few more start going against it then more will join them as they increasingly become less concerned with standing out and it potentially affecting their reputations.

 

OK

 

Maybe. But why would they suddenly abandon what they are doing? As I said earlier, there’s been much scrutiny about it this summer, yet they have returned and continued it in overwhelming numbers. If they haven’t stopped in the face of that, I think it’s a bit lazy to just suggest they will stop because they get bored of it.

I also think we should be careful of labelling any of them as ‘sheep’ when the reasoning for them doing it is so serious. Surely we should be coming at it from the viewpoint that they all feel seriously about the matter until they state otherwise.

 

I'll let you make your own mind up on that because I still have no idea even after reading this...

 

I don’t really get that as an explanation as to why Parma would describe the deal as a loan.

 

I'm confused, I'm guessing we've paid 150k to take him on loan and we have the option to make it permanent afterwards. But we'd have that option anyway of course because he'd be out of contract. Looking at that sentence I don't think Leventhal really knows either!

 

I know I said that and basically I stand by what I said because although I am not against standing up to racism I think that the players should find another way of showing what they feel and not adopt the gesture being used by BLM who are not about fighting racism, they have a more sinister political agenda.

However I don't really care anymore whether players take the knee or not, just as long as they understand what they are doing and are not being misled by the BLM movement, which unfortunately is possibly the case.

As for Kucka, just get off his back, he has the right to choose whether he does take the knee or not and if he chooses not to that does not make him a racist.

 

I'm not embarrassed in the least why should I be, we are not all lemmings and we can speak our own minds.

Furthermore I am not a racist and never have been, but whatever any of you choose believe is up to you, I will not dispute your right to have your own opinions, but please afford the same curtesy to others.

 

Sounds like a technicality? Presumably there is some sort of benefit in him technically remaining a Parma player, it would make sense if they were subsiding some of his wages, but then why would we pay a loan fee?

 

You think it's 'possibly the case' that William Troost-Ekong is being misled by BLM, causing him to kneel for 5 seconds. To what end? This is fascinating.

 

No one has said Kucka is a racist so you can stop that fibbing right there.

 

Or….how about when players say they aren’t being doing it because they align with the BLM movement but are doing it to highlight the racial disparity in the game, people just accept that rather than thinking they know their minds better than they do?

They’ve been pretty clear they ‘understand’ that yet some seem to averse to believing them. So is it any wonder why those booing are questioned about their motives?

 

Lot of talk about BLM and players taking knee. I think it is good to show support for those, who may take negative response even daily for whatever reason. It is as simple as that.

But for me, the moment of the first round was something even more fascinating; and I am not talking about Yellows. Sometimes things, which happen spontaneously, are more effective than those planned carefully. It`s hats of for me for all those who were saluting, when Saka came on as a sustitute for Brentford.

It was quite something.

 

Erm... some 13 per cent of the UK population fall into the BAME category. 25 per cent of the footballers employed by the 92 league clubs are people of colour

 

Perhaps disparity wasn’t the right word, apologies. My point was that their are clear racial issues associated with the game.

 

Agreed.

Yet there were still boo’s which I was surprised the commentators didn’t highlight. And songs sung about Rashford and Sancho. However, I don’t really think race is an issue there - they missed penalties and will have to have tough skin because of that. Plenty of footballers have come back from tournament’s and been given a rough ride rightly or wrongly.

 

And your take on the racial abuse that black players receive?

 

Any form of racial abuse is totally unacceptable. Next

 

Cool - so if players want to draw attention to the issue by kneeling, what’s the issue with their actions?

(Bearing in mind it has been stressed repeatedly by those same players that it’s not to do with the BLM movement who themselves are not the origin of the gesture anyway)