Ivic Out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by wfcmoog, Oct 28, 2020.

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  1. YellowKicks

    YellowKicks Squad Player

    Genuinely hope he never plays for us again after yesterday. He shot from 40 yards twice in the first half before the own goal - all a big joke to him.
     
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  2. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    It was a disgrace and insult to all of those who dearly love the club and not this mercenary who still deep down inside appears upset by the fact he did not get his dream move to Valencia. Talks the talk but rarely walks the walk. The sooner he can be removed the better so he can mooch around to whatever rubbish he listens to while thinking he is the king of cool.

    Ideally he should have been allowed to leave but Gino as usual ballsed up. He seems intent on keeping all the troublemakers, deadwood and the useless on long contracts. This issue of player power with Deeney and his cabal needs to be tackled as soon as possible. There is no other way the club can progress and youngsters not taken down the wrong road as with Quina by that prize pillock Gray.

    He also needs to be transferred whatever the loss and Gino needs to have a long chat with Deeney about what his actual role at the club is. Namely being a footballer. Not a media representative, brand ambassador for Deeney PLC and certainly not back seat manager.

    We've got Capoue. How sad. You look at how Buendia is performing at Norwich. Model professional. Did not kick up a fuss when very big clubs were interested and still are and is showing again why he is in demand.
     
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  3. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Ffs, thanks Watford, way to ruin boxing day
     
  4. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    I might b possible to loan out players we cant sell. Deeney to Birmingham, Capoue to France/Spain etc
     
  5. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    I was one of the most enthusiastic supporters of Capoue staying and being brought back into the fold, but his attitude and professionalism (or lack of) have made me look a right fool, and been shockingly disappointing and annoying to witness. As you say, he should have been one of our greatest assets, and helped us play at a level higher than this division, and instead he has contributed to our wallowing in the mire.

    It's easy to forget how lackadaisical and often profligate he was before Javi turned up as coach, and it turns out he's just reverted to type. The fact that he has any role at all to play as it stands is a horrific indictment of our midfield options.

    What that means is that we either need to find a buyer who allows us to replace him with an appropriate Championship player in the position, or the new Head Coach needs to be able to do a Javi and find the key to motivating him to give even a single solitary ****.
     
  6. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    No offence to you leighton but I can't tell you how annoying this kind of comment is to read, and I don't mean because it contains the idea that a player is being a berk. I'd rather not know at all than have the carrot of privileged information telling us something very significant about the dynamics of the dressing room dangled in front of us, only for the carpet to be yanked with a 'but I can't tell you or give you any clues to their identity, of course', with the end result a blue-balling of epic proportions.
     
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  7. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Who'd have thunk that a guy who doesn't even like football playing for a team he doesn't want to play for would be a complete and utter disaster?
     
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  8. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    It was concerning at the time, but in hindsight at this point it becomes even more increasingly alarming how clear it was that Duxbury was absolutely aghast by some of the relatively softball questions being asked at that event, and how differently he appeared to view things like club communication compared to the majority of the fanbase. It doesn't bode that well, as you say, for the pattern of thinking that's driving major decision-making at Colney.
     
  9. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    In mild fairness, that 'doesn't like football' concept is something that has been taken somewhat out of context and clarified in a more recent interview. I just think he's a very lazy chiller with natural ability but very, very little stomach of heart for any kind of fight, nor feeling of personal responsibility.
     
  10. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I agree with the broader sentiments - but I’d rather we brought in a manager who can throw an arm around these players and get the best of them. In the short-term, we need them sad as it is.

    I suspect a very large difference is that Buendia was bought from a club with no greater pedigree than Norwich. He won’t have had his arm twisted to join them with the promise of moving on when the chance arises. We have continually sold ourselves as a ‘stepping stone’ so whilst annoying, it’s natural players kick off if denied their chance to move on. I don’t agree with it whatsoever - but it’s not hard to see how it has arisen.

    Capoue was clearly protesting yesterday with his performance. Shocking attitude but I don’t think he’s beyond salvation as long as the next appointment is correct.
     
  11. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    How many times have you been told in the last year...Birmingham have next to no money at all. They cannot afford Deeney. Yet you continually bring it up as a possibility.
     
  12. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    I get that, I’ve been on the other side of it as well so I get it’s frustrating. Equally I’m not going to drop someone in the ****.

    It frustrates me as well seeing all sorts of flak being thrown around at some players who don’t warrant it, and some players getting fanboy treatment when they are the most problematic.
     
  13. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Attacking more than three times in a game might create enough chances for even our mediocre ones to score.
    The lack of a deadly striker is even more damaging to a system such as Ivic’s ‘keep ball, score the one decent chance, defend for a 1-0’.
     
  14. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I can understand withholding names if LB was posting under his/her real name and they were saying something libellous. But given he/she posts under a moniker, saying ‘***** is a known troublemaker and ringleader’ is not really an area to tread carefully. May as well just say who it is.
     
  15. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    We always seem to have so many ITK on here
     
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  16. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Yeah, I mean, there's a poster on here who has constantly claimed that Deeney is a megalomaniacal psychopath doing everything he can possible to bring down the club from the inside and an inherently violent criminal to boot - I don't think we need to worry about the long arm of the law at this juncture for a 'I heard that BLAH is actually the real troublemaker'. And I do have an NCTJ, so I did have to pass an exam on media law and libel... :cool:;):eek::rolleyes:
     
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  17. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    My source tells me Deeney and Ivic had a fight and Deeney will be put in temporary charge.
     
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