(23) Ismaila Sarr

Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by Smudger, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    You get a better rate if you exchange at Tesco using your clubcard, so we could still make a profit here
  2. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    £15m with add-ons is still too much for this touch-less pace merchant
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  3. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Amazes me how fans can vastly undervalue and overvalue our players.
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  4. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    Posted a pic on Instagram back at the training ground and ready to work (alongside Dennis and a few others).

    Looked relaxed and happy.

    But in reality he downed tools 6 months ago of course.
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  5. Heidar

    Heidar Reservist

    I think we all downed tools 6 months ago.
  6. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Reservist

    I never thought he downed tools, just that he only had Fisher Price ones in the first place
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  7. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I don’t think he downed tools. Just not fully fit, lost confidence, not being used effectively in a hyper defensive formation. Hopefully highly effective if we do retain him this season though I do fear if we don’t sell Sarr or Dennis this summer and then don’t get promoted we could be in serious financial difficulty.
  8. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    He’s just not that good is the easier, more rational explanation.
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  9. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Yeah, I don't think anyone was claiming that he 'downed tools', and the idea that him posting a picture on Instagram is some amazing 'gotcha' that would magically counter the accusation if they were is truly laughable stuff.
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  10. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    Nobody has bid for him because he is ****
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  11. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    He's certainly not ****!
    He just needs to use his one asset, his pace instead of his redundant skillset.
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  12. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Agreed, when he uses his main asset of pace he is a good player.
    When he doesn't he is at best an average player.
    When he doesn't use his pace and generally hides during a game his impact on the game is ****. (please see most of last season)

    As I have said before he was the player who delivered the least compared to his potential, such a shame.
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  13. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    GT would of made him a star by just doing the basics.
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  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I’m sure GT would’ve made him a star, but at the same time the player needs to take some responsibility as well. He has one asset and one asset only, he’s not particularly skilful, he’s not particularly great at shooting, he’s not any good at passing, he’s not good at tackling, but he has blistering pace. The fact that he rarely chooses to use this one asset can’t really be blamed on his manager at the time, as he’s had plenty of managers with us and it’s been a recurring problem. I think he just has a low footballing IQ and doesn’t know when and how to utilise his best asset. The playing in an ultra defensive formation argument under Hodgson doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, as Palace could barely score or win a game without Zaha in their team, but he was able to make a significant difference to their attack and their fortunes whenever he played despite Hodgson being ultra defensive. Zaha is an annoying ****. But he probably has much higher footballing IQ then Sarr, as despite playing in a defensive side he knew exactly how to utilise his assets to maximum effect, Sarr does not for whatever reason. If anything Sarr should’ve been a standout player under Hodgson because his tactics rely heavily on the attackers doing something out of the ordinary.
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2022
  15. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    I can see us failing to sell him and it basically meaning Edwards is on borrowed time.

    Leave him out and get fired for not helping drive his value up.
    Or include him and be forced to play a front 3, as Sarr doesn’t fit anything else. When Dennis is sold, that’ll probably dictate Sema starting LW. It will also mean only 2 CMs (from our current batch, with one likely to be Cleverley) meaning we lose the midfield battle every week.
    And Rob’s sacked because we’re bottom half.

    Or I suppose he could adopt a 4-3-3 and we’ll all be left to wonder why we bother hiring head coaches who are essentially just motivational speakers given that they’re provided squads that can only play one way.
  16. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Can't see a 4-3-3 being used. If Sarr is here and playing all we need is the WB'S to be a little more defensively setup. Sema will not be used as a left forward .
  17. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    You could argue that if he really is worth 30-40 million Sarr should be able to adapt his own game to whatever formation is being played within reason as suggested above by a19tgg.

    To me his main issue is that defenders can easily mark him out of the game and then Sarr gets frustrated and disappears from it or starts to look for fouls.
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  18. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    We’ll see. In a 5-2-3 (/3-4-3) I can see us really struggling to play through our midfielders, especially without any competent ball-playing centre-halves.

    I’m always a pessimist though, so can’t help but focus on the potential weaknesses.
  19. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Surely they’d just play Joao Pedro on the left and put Bayo up front - would potentially suit Edwards anyway given he prefers a target-man.
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  20. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Might mean we finally see JP play regularly in a position that best suits him
  21. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Do we think he starts on Monday?
  22. hornmeister

    hornmeister Club Legend

    Sarr needed coaching to utilise and improve. It's patently obvious that recent head coaches have not really coached.

    There's still time and there's potential to unlock we just need to handle him the right way.
  23. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    He posted on Instagram yesterday of himself training with the rest of the squad, so I hope so.
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  24. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    He’s had an awful lot of coaches though and it’s the same recurring problem. He has one attribute and that’s pace, it seems odd that not one of these managers has thought to tell him to use it.
  25. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Shouldn't that read 'awful coaches'?
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  26. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Actually his crossing also tends to be very good.

    If anything his crossing is more consistent than his pace/dribbling, as there are days when he seems too nervous to go on a run/dribble past a defender when the chances are there, but then on the rare occasions he does so he manages to produce a decent final ball.

    His finishing has also been shown to be decent at times, so long as it's on his right foot and he's discouraged from speculative long-range efforts.
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  27. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Decent finishing at times means he’s bad at finishing. Roberto Carlos was decent at free kicks at times.
  28. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Well marginally better than average for a lower-third PL winger.
  29. hornmeister

    hornmeister Club Legend

    Sounds good sign him up.
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  30. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    We are in a division where Sarr will shine. He did 2 seasons ago see no reason this season will be any different (unless he is injured or sold).
  31. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Has this been swept under the carpet now? Just wondered because people seem to be desperate for him to stay.

  32. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    I feel like he's the exact same player we signed 3 years ago.

    The occasional bit of brilliance, but the majority of the time on the periphery of the game not showing for the ball.

    Not sure if it's a confidence thing, or he's just not as good as we all hoped he'd be
  33. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    To be fair, I'm actually quite happy with that. He's capable of having moments, which lead to a goal. This is such a vital quality. He was quiet last night, but still provided a perfect pass for the winning goal. Is he pulling up trees? No. Is he doing enough for a club to pay £30m for him? No. But these are all good things for us, as it means we are likely to keep him until at least the winter window.
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  34. Heidar

    Heidar Reservist

    Hahaha **** you all. Love, Isma. x
  35. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Few million added to the price tag!

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