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Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Sep 29, 2021.

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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

    7 vote(s)
    63.6%
  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Don't remind me - I refuse to pay the £0.75 for an ILL for that worthy tome and I really can't be arsed to drive to Radlett to pick up a copy. The last time I made an effort to get "...essential reading..." for anyone interested in politics that was mentioned on this fora was Paul Embery's "Despised: Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class" which was basically the literary equivalent of the embittered ramblings of a regular of an Essex Gammonspoons holding forth about 'Things were different in the Good Old Days in Dagenham'. I lent the copy to my best mate 'know-it-all Dave' (reader in biomineralisation for a London med school) who's from 'Daggers' and described Embery's rendering of the place and culture at that time as "...utter f**king cobblers...".
     
  2. I always assumed Davy Crockett was Paul Embury.
     
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  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    We may need a thread entitled Stupid Things Being Promised During the Tory Leadership Election.

    This time it’s Sunak suggesting compensation if there is a hosepipe ban and failing to understand that privatised utilities would simply add it to everyone’s bills down the line. But forget the cost of living crisis, climate change, war. It’s a big issue for Tory members.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2022-08-04...s-compensation-for-people-hit-by-hosepipe-ban
     
  4. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    I do wonder if the Conservative Party members recognise the pain that is coming down the line in the autumn as the full force of the energy prices hits, combined with the Bank of England's interest rate rise. Even their own supporters are recognising how and why this is happening. Some moderate Tories of my acquaintance have, over the past couple of months, stopped trying to defend them. It's a small straw-poll, admittedly, but these are people who usually fall for the line that the Conservatives are competent and trustworthy on the economy, but they're struggling to regurgitate that line at the moment. The fib that Europe is suffering every bit as much is not washing either.
     
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  5. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    No doubt many supporters of Sir Keir's Labour would agree that working class trade unionists like Embery really are beyond the pale
     
  6. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The message from electing Truss will not be any change of course, but instead Steer harder and faster! Turbocharged borrowing alongside turbocharged slashing so an already well-off minority can be a little better off. The transfer of assets towards that group will continue as they pick up buy to lets from the repossessed and then get frothy about the cost to the state of housing benefits.

    Internal conflict with the unions and external conflict with the EU looms. The Cult will circle the wagons. There appears to be no strategy to cushion the blows or avoid conflict. It’s going to be a winter of discontent.
     
  7. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Cheap and inaccurate. Most Labour supporters want more support for and closer ties with the unions. You know this, so make it up.

    What they can’t stand is tired old conservative populists claiming to speak for the whole working class, when their view is very narrow indeed.
     
  8. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  9. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I wonder which job Penny has been offered? Foreign Secretary?
     
  10. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    When 'ordinary' people are paying hundreds a month for their energy, watching prices soar in the shops, spending a fortune to get to work, and then come to renew their mortgage and see the repayments rise (or their rents rise for the same reason) I suspect the think tanks and pollsters may be reflecting a rather different picture.

    The problem for the two Tory leaders – who are spending their time pointing out to their members how awful everything is and how they are the only true saviour – is that the rest of the country is listening and the penny is starting to drop. "Hang on, haven't you guys been in charge for the last 12 years?"
     
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  11. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  12. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    News from the culture war. Thing is though, she never says what the actual problem with diversity training is. I presume, despite what she says, she doesn’t like EDI policy or law and can’t bear to hear it spoken of and explored out loud.

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  13. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Oh no, lots of liberals running around wanting a nicer world where people respect each other and everyone gets on.
     
  14. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    The tory cult wont ever vote in an Asian PM.
     
  15. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    A Winter of protests incoming. I'll be there.
     
  16. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    No one ever seems to say: "The Government is riddled with a load of damaging, reductive right-wing views that simplify beyond sense complex problems and remove the rights and dignity of the individual if they don't happen to subscribe to the views of the cult."
     
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  17. The trouble with coming in when Truss is 1/10 on is that the returns are likely to be negligible.
     
  18. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Not sure I agree with that, but it's probably moot for the time being at least.
     
  19. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I don't think that'll ever catch on as a slogan. It might be a bit hard to read on a lapel badge or placard
     
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  20. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Is that what Embery is then?
     
  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    For sure. He may not identify as a Tory, but his outlook is socially conservative.
     
  22. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Maybe. Seems the choice is between putting your foot in dog sh1t or human sh1t anyway. Rishi the tax dodging billionaire or Liz the Thatcher wannabe. Hopefully they have a third choice of opting to go to Dignitas on the ballot.
     
  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Back in day they all had to pay 180% interest rates on their mortgage, work 3 jobs and faced 1,000,000% inflation. And all that while fighting the Nazis on the beaches. We don't really know we're born, what with our so-called iPads and year round fresh fruit.
     
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  24. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Deliberate spelling mistake?
     
  25. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    If we are talking stereotypes, back in the real world Tories have have had 2 female PMs while Labour for their leader go white guy, white guy, white guy.

    I don't have any time for the Tories these days, but any attempt to smear them as close minded towards leaders compared to Labour is utterly laughable.
     
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  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    He wasn’t comparing them to Labour. But as the economy tanks, if all you have is a bit of identity politics, that’s thin gruel indeed.
     
  27. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I'd prefer Johnson to Truss. There, I've said it.

    This can only be good news for Labour.... assuming there is still a country worth governing after another 2 years of Tory (mis)management.
     
  28. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Braverman gets a warning.

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  29. westbridgfordhornet

    westbridgfordhornet First Year Pro

    So 3 economically illiterate Tories - Truss, Braverman and Mordaunt (Penny Dreadful) - now threatening the Bank of England's independence and rubbishing their analysis on inflation and spending our way to growth through tax cuts. Recession isn't a given says Liz.

    Here's Braverman offering her take on things . Always listen out for those key phrases; " Liz Truss has made clear..." "It's right to review...". Utterly confident in their alternative, extremely wobbly, offering for the seemingly compliant electorate they are targeting, Liz's policy U-turn notwithstanding. Don't worry about the other 99.7% of us will you. Oh happy days.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1555101755050020865
     
  30. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    There is almost no difference. Truss’s job is to carry the cult forward. In doing so, they have gone for another empty character with oodles of fizz.

    It’s BAU for the project’s backers in the media, its wealthy sponsors and donors.
     
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  31. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Truss will call a GE this autumn
     
  32. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  33. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  34. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I think that would be sensible IF she gets any kind of bounce in the polls.

    It's obvious that the "cost of living crisis" is going to be deep and long. Any optimism that a new leader is going to save us will soon subside imho.
     
  35. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Everyone will forget about the cost of living crisis as soon as Sir Keir drops another transgender clanger!
     
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