I,i,i,i,fwah, Fwah, Fwah It’s The Tories

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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

    6 vote(s)
    75.0%
  2. Lizz Truss

    2 vote(s)
    25.0%
  1. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    And now the Government's pursuit of those fraudsters has been quietly dropped.

    I wonder why? It couldn't be that turning a spotlight on the massive fraud could highlight the Government's incompetence, and also their own corruption, could it?

    I hope Rachel Reeves is as good as her word and Labour will pursue these fraudsters, including the useless PPE provided by Tory "friends", and get as much of the tax payers money back as possible.
     
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  2. hornmeister

    hornmeister Club Legend

    Agreed. Anyone taking advantage of the situation should face the severest of penalties.

    I do feel we need to temper the anger with a reality check though. We can investigate but at what cost? Financial litigation is hugely expensive and complex and would we get the money back? There's justice and there's throwing good money after bad in a time when every penny counts. I hate to say it but I think we need to limit the investigation to those in power that were making the decisions. If they are found to be deliberately fraudulent, and or profiteered then chuck the book at them. If they are found to have simply made bad choices at a time of huge stress, panic but were made with the general intention of doing good then I'm inclined to throw them a pass. I think we need to be effective, but also efficient.
     
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  3. hornmeister

    hornmeister Club Legend

    Absolutely:D.

    In all seriousness I don't trust any of them with the economy.

    Vote Martin Lewis for President!
     
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  4. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Pozzo for PM.
     
  5. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

  6. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Lawyers and investigators would be queueing up if offered 5% of any of the "eye-watering" (to use the current vogue phrase) sums recovered.

    Members of the government and their cronies were no better than wartime spivs operating at a multi-million pound level.

    I sincerely hope we don't go soft on them - there is no upside for the ordinary members of the public in doing so. It looks as though the Tories are saving a whole heap of pain for the incoming government to deal with and in 2025/26 and we are going to need every million we can get back.

    I am not normally a vindictive person, but this situation is an exception.

    Oh and don't forget, while those in the VIP lane were getting their juicy contracts, the calls of British firms with capability and expertise were being ignored! B*st*rds.
     
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  7. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    The BBC broadcasting the truth for once.

     
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  8. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  10. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Theresa "1212 majority" Villiers showing she really has the aspirations of future Tory voters at heart:

    Rishi Sunak faces MPs’ rebellion over local housebuilding targets
    About 50 MPs sign amendment to scrap mandatory local housing targets for councils



     
  11. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  12. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

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  13. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

  14. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    We might have to wait a couple of years, but it will be worth it........
     
  15. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  18. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  19. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Kay Burley very nearly lands a glove and the extremely slippery Gove:

    Screenshot 2022-11-25 at 08-31-40 Best for Britain on Twitter.png

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1595705704576229376

    As it's normal practice to receive a commission for acting as a conduit in a business deal woonder if any of the alleged £29M ended up in Gove's hands...

    EDIT: As an aside, Gove's very much at the forefront of the 'campaign' against organisations getting taxpayers' money and housing people in mouldy/damp/unfit housing but he was also at the forefront of a campaign not to compel private landlords to house people in mouldy/damp/unfit housing...
     
  20. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

  21. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I love the way "flat screen TVs" are still used as a measure of luxury and decadence. They should start making CRT TVs again for those people on benefits imho :rolleyes:
     
  22. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Absolutely this. You can't get any other kind of TV than a flat screen TV. Even expensive big screen TVs are stunning value for money. Compare to coffees and pastries in a chain cafe, a trip to the cinema, a Premier League or Football League match, a weekend in a British B&B, an extra-curricular class for a child (such as a football class, dancing etc) and a telly is extremely treat. For some people TV is literally their only entertainment.

    It's a blatant indication of someone's lack of grasp on how money works and how society is structured when they rail against the poor having televisions. Same goes for smartphones. "Oh, they've all got smartphones haven't they." Well, yes, they have. For many, it's their only way to connect to the internet. And accessing, applying for and using a great many Government services requires internet access.
     
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  23. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    As much as we miss ZZ and wish him all the best, this was an argument he trotted out on numerous occasions, usually adding fags into the mix of TVs and smartphones for the win.
     
  24. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Should have said a 'telly is extremely cheap' not treat there! Darn it.

    To illustrate, a 55inch Samsung Ultra Smart 4K HD TV on John Lewis (not exactly the cheaper end of the retail pyramid) is £499. That works out at £1.36 a day over a year. And the life-span of a big telly is way more than a year.

    A Toshiba 50inch TV at Argos is £289. That works out at 79p per day, again over a year, when a TV will last much longer than a year, so you're talking pence pennies per day. Licence fee required on top, of course, but watching television is not some kind of luxury. For many it is the only leisure they can afford and so suggesting that people who have almost nothing should also do without that is a particularly weird kind of insistence that the poor should have absolutely nothing.

    Anyone arguing that a massive flatscreen TV is some kind of indicator of feckless, frivolous spending is, I'm afraid, literally an idiot.
     
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  25. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    You won't catch me saying this much. But to be fair to them....

    Checks take time and cost money. Given the government was telling everyone to stay in their homes immediately, a proportion of businesses would likely have folded and no government department would have had the capacity to check and process claims from every business.

    So I don't blame them for the fact there was significant fraud, as I see why they went for the faster option.

    But now, yes. Given they are scraping around for money from anywhere possible that would avoid tax rises, I'm sure they'd try to get money back if they could easily. I imagine it will be exceedingly difficult, minimal money will be clawed back and it will only draw more attention to the amount of fraud and taxpayer wastage, given the above is hard to explain.
     
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  26. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  27. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    She was really highly rated in Tory circles. I know people who bet on her being a future PM.

    Elected at 27 and a junior minister by 30. Brexit supporting, bisexual woman who favoured economic liberalism but was from a very working class background. She was open about previous mental health problems and voted against Boris in his vote of no confidence.

    Her Dad was killed when she was 13 and she represented her own family at a tribunal a few years later.

    If you could write the perfect Tory candidate to win over middle England, red wall seats and her members, it would probably be her.

    For her to leave, she probably, quite rightly, believes the next election is going to be disasterous and it will be a very long time before the Tories are back in power.
     
  28. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    She may also have lost all faith after seeing the reality of a Tory government at close quarters.
     
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  29. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I think that's extremely unlikely as she was an intern for JRM and so would have actual experience of how bad it could get.
     
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  30. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Or realised that her entire political philosophy is based on lies and exploitation, but I won’t hold my breath.
     
  31. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Probably couldn’t find any eligible elderly gents to marry.
     
  32. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    They have gone . Next GE unless Labour shoots it's self in the foot with some tail eating. A shoo-in .
    Are they fit for purpose ? Let's wait and see .
     
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  33. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Of course Labour arent fit for purpose, not as unfit for purpose as the Tories but still unfit for purpose.

    Whoever the public faces are they arent the ones in control, why do you think Labour never attacked the Tories over Tufton Street and powerful lobby groups? The same slimey toads accepting the same dirty money at the top while the whips keep the foot soldiers in line.
     
  34. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Labour will win but they'll be a one term government that are blamed by the press and the Tories for the state of the country and the electorate will swallow it. There'll probably be a recovery of sorts when the Tories come back in and even though our overall decline will continue they'll be back in for another generation.

    Starmer should view it as a five year window to make whatever long term reforms he can like House of Lords, electoral system etc because if he doesn't it'll just further our decline.
     
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