Four Hours At The Capitol

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  1. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  2. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Are you joking?

    Can you actually name any laws Trump has broken (even the election arguments he made were supported in law and precedented by Democrat behaviour over decades of protesting election results, not least 2016), or demonstrate his racism in a way that cannot be compared favourably to the demonstrable racism of Biden?

    You talk about him breaking the law and being a bigot, but when it comes down to it, you cannot point to it, only your emotional acceptance of propaganda that is fed to you by his political opponents.

    I used to believe everything the Dems said about Trump, then I asked LukeGolden if some of it may be exaggerated, given increasing support for him in Black and Hispanic areas. The response was so allergic, to the idea that Trump had popularsupport, that I ended up looking into it, and that is when my eyes were opened.

    All you have is an opinion that is fed to you. You support Biden because he is not Trump, yet at face value, and according to factual evidence, Biden is ten times worse than Trump.
     
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  3. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Spot on. But for all Johnson's ineptitudes, he clearly knows exactly how long your **** is:)

    Hope you have a sense of humour.
     
  4. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    That's fascism for you.
     
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  5. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Because at least it'd be a nice solid dump, so quite easy to clean up. That Starmer, however, is bound to be a tree-hugging veggie* so any dump of his would certainly be horrendously less solid. Not the sort of defecation any self-respecting English male should produce.

    *Well, if he's not, a lot of his party and supporters are BOUND to be, and it's contagious, you know.
     
  6. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s unfortunate just how many pictures there are of Trump with Epstein. Of course there are pictures of Epstein with all sorts of establishment figures, including Clinton. But there are so many of him with Epstein. Picture after picture.

    Just unfortunate, I reckon.
     
  7. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Not really. Epstein was a socialite and Trump was pretty much at the top of that tree. People wanted to be seen with Trump. Less so Clinton.

    The usual measure of in depth Epstein involvement is the log of passengers on his Lolita express - the exclusive channel to Epstein Island.

    I believe The classified results for that stand at something like:-

    Clinton 27 - 0 Trump

    Which, I think you will agree, is just very unfortunate.

    Did you have anything else you wanted to say on the matter?
     
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  8. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Yes. But only if Sydney had aid anything resembling what Trump and his team said.

    It was the FBI that confirmed Trump had given them access, not Trump.

    The FBI asked Trump to place the lock on the door that they broke off in Monday’s raid.

    Trump was the President and had a standing order that declassified all documents he took to Mar a Lago (very much like previous Presidents had done).

    Trump stated that because his legal team were not permitted oversight, as US law permits, that the FBI could be planting any manner of materials. A fair point, because that is what the law is there to prevent.

    Trump never said the documents didn’t exist. So that is a lie. It would have been like Obama saying he does not have the 33 million documents he took with him after his presidency.

    It is incredible that things that are in the public domain are ignored as if they never existed.

    He didn’t claim he had handed them all back. They knew he had them and they knew where he kept them, because he, to their own admission, gave them access to them only a couple of months ago. So more lies.

    Don’t you guys ever get fed up of relying on liars for your arguments?
     
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  9. sydney_horn

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  10. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Oh dear, that is unfortunate.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...te-Lolita-Express-jet-flight-logs-reveal.html
     
  11. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Excellent piece in the FT explaining why it is important that Trump should be the subject of due process when in comes to this investigation and potential prosecution.

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    I suspect a deal will be made behind close doors and Trump won't face court though. Of course the Trump cultists will portray this as Trump being "innocent" and will continue to ignore his lies.

    But I suspect the risk of social unrest from the minority MAGA extremists, as per 6th Jan, will weigh on the minds of those in charge.
     
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  12. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  13. reids

    reids First Team

    Don't you?

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  14. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    The trouble is, as with everything Trump, when anyone tries to engage with his arguments in good faith they inevitably never win. He's not a good faith actor, he's not making legitimate arguments and he replies upon organisations such as NARA responding to his nonsense so he can keep the donations rolling in.
     
  15. HenryHooter

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  16. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Ah yes. NARA have the documents, but as was mentioned else where, Obama has them in a virtual format. The first President to have done so. A big thing was made of it at the time.
     
  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    What’s unfortunate is your casual disregard for telling the truth. A simple search would have revealed that your claim of Trump’s no flights on Epstein’s plane was false. But time and again you’ve shown the truth is not your bag when supporting Trump.

    As for Clinton, your figure is no doubt wrong again. But he certainly took at least a dozen flights. Some of these were philanthropic missions. Frankly, at the very least this is an obvious fig leaf for Epstein and was Clinton standing for office again his judgement would be seriously questioned by the association. If evidence emerges that Clinton was involved in worse, absolutely lock him up.

    But Trump? His flights were certainly for pleasure. With a sex trafficker. It doesn’t reflect well on you or @iamofwfc that your reflex is to tell mistruths to bail him out rather than keep an open mind.
     
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  18. reids

    reids First Team

    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1557421261747363840

    But according to Trump JR they've yet to be digitized - so which is it? Which the NARA also confirm here - https://www.archives.gov/presidenti...bout-new-model-for-obama-presidential-library

    A big thing was indeed made of it at the time - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/us/obama-presidential-center-chicago.html and this article from last year also says the records are yet to be digitized.
     
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  19. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Or prove that he wasn't flushing them down the toilet.

    If Occam's razer were applied.
     
  20. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    They certainly were for pleasure. Given that the logs revealed he was travelling with his family.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...in-donald-trump-flight-logs-b1980802.html?amp

    A simple google search, etc., etc.

    Here's a pictute of the extent of Clinton's philanthropy...

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  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    So you knew about Trump’s flights, but what, decided to make something up when you posted earlier to get your 21-0? Absolutely bizarre.

    As for Clinton, you haven’t explained the pictures, but if there are allegations that he did anything wrong, they should be investigated and if found true he should be punished accordingly. It’s not a difficult question. Apply the law without fear or favour.
     
  22. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Comedy genius. Pure comedy genius.
     
  23. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Clearly you are making stuff up, so why can't I.

    As for Clinton. That is the point. You know they won't investigate him, same for his wife and Biden.

    That is the point.

    Trump is a ****, with a little anti establishment in him, so he gets trumped up BS like the Russia report, two impeachments and the Jan 6 Committee, none of which can make anything stick despite six years of trying, but the Clintons are establishment untouchables. Hilary was excused of destroying classified information described as gross negligence. Trump is accused of no such crime.

    It is incredible how the left defends the corrupt establishment capitalist Clintons as if they were Marx and Engles.
     
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  24. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I didn’t make anything up, as you are well aware, you did and I don’t defend the Clintons. This is why people don’t bother with you.

    Sad to see @iamofwfc doubling down on the nonsense you write, but you’ve got your sad game and he has his.
     
  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Hopefully Biden pardons him for this specific alleged crime, assuming no harm can be shown to have been caused. How would Trump play that?
     
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  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    That would be one, highly amusing, scenario.
     
  27. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    You did. You said he took flights for pleasure with a sex offender, when he was travelling with his family and Epstein wasn't on the flights, and you said Clinton was on philanthropic missions. What? With a sex offender? Because Epstein did travel with Clinton. Just throwing your arguments back at you.

    Nice to see that you think potential child molesters should only be investigated if they are going to run for president though. You couldn't have spelled that out any clearer.

    Not my words.

    And remember that I have shown you the videos of Biden sniffing and stroking kids, who looked as awkward and disturbed as you might imagine, and quoted the section of Ashley Biden's diary where she described him as joining her for inappropriate showers when she was a child.

    But people have their priorities when it comes to politics, and kids are only an issue if it isn't a Democrat, it seems.

    People should really think about what they say and how it reflects on them.
     
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  28. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The pair of you are complete clowns.

    Like I say, you should be off this forum and @iamofwfc should be gone with you.

    To be fair, the rest of us do get plenty of amusement at your expense, but the place would whiff better all round without you.
     
  29. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I can't think of a better way to describe intolerance in modern politics.

    Shut up the descenting voices. Some sleep walking going on me thinks.

    See how easily it happens.

    I've never told you to shut up, because of posts like those you make above. They show what you really think, and I don't have to say a word to make you look like what you make yourself to be.
     
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  30. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    The FBI obviously think Trump is a flight risk...

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  31. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    A flight risk from what?

    What has he been charged with?

    Your interpretations beggar belief.

    The gestapo confiscate passports without due cause.

    The FBI are not supposed to do such things without due process.

    They're not even closet fascists.

    If they took his passports without due process, then they did so because they had no reason to.

    And you delight in it and speak as if it incriminates Trump.

    The picture you guys paint of yourselves is magnificent.

    The sleep walkers in party mode!!:rolleyes::)

    Its not a matter of defending Trump even. It is simply pointing out communistic fascism (where elitists and corporations are the vanguard) in action attempting to steal a country.
     
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  32. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Your first mistake was believing something Trump said.
     
  33. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Clearly the problem was allowing someone who disagreed with you to say something in the first place.

    The nazis and the commies would have sorted this out for you, but the US establishment are doing their best...

    Are you enjoying 0% inflation? But Trump! At least honest Joe Biden would never try to distract you.

    "But I like being distracted."
     
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  34. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

  35. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    They were just scooped up in the many boxes of stuff seized. They've now been filtered and the passports (2 of which were expired) have been returned to Trump. A complete nothingburger that has triggered the usual suspect I see.
     
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