Everton 2-5 Watford Fc - 23/10/2021

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by 352, Oct 20, 2021.

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Are you excited?

Poll closed Oct 23, 2021.
  1. Yes

    12 vote(s)
    13.0%
  2. No

    80 vote(s)
    87.0%
  1. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Maybe we could alternate absolute hidings with surprise comebacks for the rest of the season?

    #ThatsEntertainment
     
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  2. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Watford - “a team who couldn’t buy a point if they went into a shop with a load of money”. He’s no Blackadder is he?
     
  3. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    Calm down! Calm down!

    How dare we beat them



    Highlights from the Everton stands. They were not happy. To be fair the bloke shooting this does give us some compliments, so fair play.
     
  4. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    Has anyone mentioned yet how superb Graham Scott was? I thought it was a very tricky game to officiate but he let the game flow very well and totally saw through Everton’s attempts to buy a penalty. The best officiating I’ve seen of a Watford game in a while
     
  5. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    100%. Thought exactly the same. Wasn’t putting up with any of their antics. Got every decision right with exception of a corner we should’ve had and a corner they should’ve had. If that’s the only mistakes you’re making as a ref you’ve done a good job.
     
  6. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yes it was the first thing I said on my initial reaction to the match, he was very good, a weaker ref could’ve easily been fooled by a few of the things Everton did, he was very fair and you would’ve had no idea who was playing at home based on his performance.
     
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  7. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Squad Player

    My mate actually said this to me and I didn't pay attention but now I think about it he did have a good game.
     
  8. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    I believe he got a throw in wrong in the first half. Therefore he scores a 2 from me. Out of 50.
     
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  9. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Squad Player

    With the amount of pace we have it was wreckless to leave that much space for the break. I think there may have been a bit of arrogance about it.
    The amount of Tofees that have said tbey have already been hammered by one team from Merseyside like they are anywhere Liverpools level.
     
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  10. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    He's not even Lord Percy Percy,heir to the Duchy of Northumberland!
    "Has anyone told you you're a giggling imbecile?"
    "Oh yes!"
     
  11. westbridgfordhornet

    westbridgfordhornet First Year Pro

    Exactly right. Every Everton view (among the "f***ing disgrace" rants) I've seen keeps mentioning the s*** ref denying them 2 clear penalties. Presume one of those pens was that swallow dive from Allan 2nd half that finally got a well deserved card from Graham Scott. Tom Daley would struggle to execute such a flawless effort.

    I seem to recall that we've had issues in the past with Graham Scott favouring the big teams against us in the Premier, although I can't bring them to mind. I guess Scott and his paymasters realised that Everton are just pygmies in the land of the Premier giants so he was allowed by Mike Riley (he of the giraffe neck) to referee this one fairly!
     
  12. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Football is a business more than a sport nowadays, so taking that approach is sensible. Football is broken - not Norwich.
     
  13. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    ....and tucked away that 4th.
     
  14. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    On our day, or rather our 15 minutes, yes.
    But before that game I read we had had less attempts on goal than any other team in the league despite a relatively easy start ? Was that all down to Munoz, who was supposedly an attacking coach ? I just don't know. Will the real Watford please stand up (....unless it's the **** one).
     
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  15. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Well, we can hardly argue Cathcart and Foster should replace them.

    If not for the eyebrow raising Liverpool win and the absolute capitulation by Norwich, I'm sure one of Dennis, JP or Cucho could have been in consideration too.
     
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  16. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Last week, few of us would have argued with much of that, though the hyperbole was a bit high.

    It was an abject performance with zero positives, but we aren't the first and won't be the last to be utterly hopeless in a game.
     
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  17. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I’ve gone to the liberty of withdrawing Richard Keys ‘Bedwetter’ membership status. Looked into his history and let’s just say he’s failed the ‘fit and proper’ test.
     
  18. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    He should never have slipped through the net.

    Needless to say there will be an enquiry.
     
  19. Harefield Yellow

    Harefield Yellow First Year Pro

    I'm far from a regular at away matches, being semi-old git I don't enjoy the constant standing, but I DO love Goodison Park as a ground, and as there won't be many more opportunities to go, booked a 'front row' seat on the first day of ticket sales.

    Thought "Bloody hell, here we go again" after Everton scored with first attack, but our response after both that and after 'his' goal in the second half (Ben caught in no man's land I'm afraid) was superb. Fantastically taken hat-trick by King, quite simply a highly memorable and enjoyable afternoon all round.

    Agree with the comments about Graham Scott's handling of the game, having cringed a bit when I saw he was taking the match. Refereed the game well and with a smile on his face, as was shown when having a bit of banter with Josh as he booked him when taking his shirt off after scoring. (WHY do players do it, cheap unnecessary bookings !).

    I also took the opportunity to re- visit the ground's hidden gem, which I discovered when we played them in the League Cup a couple of years ago. Upstairs in the church tucked away in the corner of the ground is the EFC Heritage Centre, with thousands of programmes, books, shirts and other memorabilia both for sale and on display. It's an absolute anorak's paradise, and well worth a nose.

    EFC1.jpg EFC2.jpg EFC3.jpg EFC4.jpg EFC5.jpg EFC6.jpg
     
  20. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

     
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  21. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    The part where he mentions Graham Taylor spinning in his grave shows how vile Richard Keys really is.

    Who does he think he is? Utter ****** and a particularly distasteful comment within an essay of complete tripe.
     
  22. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Richard Keys is a "see you next Tuesday" with a capital S that's for sure. Only spinning I saw was the Everton defense as King spun them to bits for his second goal. GT is a icon to this club, town and everyone connected to it. What a total numpty. Does he not do any research? How about when we finished 11th and made the Cup Final? Different players but the same club name and club crest. Idiot.
     
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  23. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    For pity’s sake, get the name of our team right -

    The correct title is:
    Everton 2 It’s Only Watford FFS 5


    :D
     
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  24. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    Last edited: Oct 25, 2021
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  25. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Ironically a lot of that is stuff we say ourselves, but funnily enough it's a lot less grating hearing criticism from people who live and breathe the club rather than just pay attention to us whenever we play the big clubs
     
  26. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

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    Here is the original Toffee Hammer. I great Xmas pressie for any Hornet or for any Blue Scousers you particularly don't like. Perhaps they could dole them from the club shop.
     
  27. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I've seen it at Everton, Norwich and home to Villa and that makes me certain that our forward line should be a handful for anyone. We've taken time finding our feet, because of defensive frailties undermining everything we do. On Saturday, even though we still made plenty of mistakes at the back, we went for it and in the end our quality won at a very tough place.

    I've analysed the match from a Watford defensive POV. The first goal came because Ngakia was out of position. He took the throw and as soon as Sissoko lost possession, Gordon had a clear run up the pitch. He passed to Gray who found himself 1 v 1 with WTE. But we did have numbers back, however, our positioning was poor. Tufan was tracking Davies, but stopped running when he reached the 6 yard box, of course Davies kept going. Masina came across to try and block Davies but Davies got to it first. Cathcart was pretty much a bystander. He was in between WTE and Masina/Davies, but didn't make an attempt to cut out the cross meaning any little touch was likely to end up in our net, which is exactly what happened.

    The second goal was another really poor one from a Watford stance. Keane had time to look up and see a clear picture of where to place his pass. No one pressed him. But the chief culprit was Cathcart. Again, he switched off, in no man's land. He was totally unaware that Richarlison was unmarked behind him. WTE was marking Rondon, but Cathcart fell into the trap of moving towards the man in front of him, although he was being marked by Masina. So we were double marking Coleman (a wing back) allowing Richarlison the freedom of the penalty area. Kucka could have been a hero, stopping the danger by tracking Richarlison, but he really was Cathcart's man......then to compound it all Foster takes up a ridiculous position to field the ball, meaning any contact made by Richarlison would end up in the back of our net. Everyone is blaming Foster, and he is partly to blame, but the main culprit is Cathcart. He switches off far too often, and is unware of players around him. He's making far too many positional errors, and doesn't seem mobile enough for the role of CB. After we went 3-2 ahead, he was beaten to the ball by Iwobi's run across him, but luckily the cross was too high, or else that would have been 3-3.

    For me, as much as I don't like to criticise a player like Cathcart, he's a liability in our backline. If he is dropped then I suspect our defensive solidity would improve dramatically.
     
  28. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Didn't we have an Everton fan who used to frequently visit the forum?
     
  29. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    Yes, used to be a frequent visitor. Not been seen since 22/10/2021 sadly. Not sure why :(
     
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  30. onion8837

    onion8837 Reservist

    In addition, if you look at the Digne chance when we had just gone 3-2 up, Cathcart completely loses Iwobi as Richarlison crosses - he was marking him, but just stops. Luckily, (1) the cross was a bit over-hit and (2) Iwobi is completely dog turd
     
  31. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    That's the enigma of Everton, as I mentioned before - they certainly are a big club in terms of league history (average position behind only Liverpool and Arsenal, 97% of their seasons in the top flight, all the rest in the second tier) and I imagine have a fairly large fanbase. But their stadium isn't particularly big (10th largest in the Prem and behind League 1 Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday), their cup record is pretty poor compared to other big clubs, and they're certainly not managed like a massive club, finances, managers and achievements on the pitch-wise. The fact their best and most long-lasting by some distance manager in modern times is David Moyes, who flopped at Man Utd and Sunderland and took a while to get going at West Ham over two spells, says it all.
     
  32. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    fewer
     
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  33. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    In a way, the most encouraging thing about the weekend was Nkoulou's debut, from what Ranieri said I didn't think he'd be ready this quickly, but now he's got on the pitch you'd think a full debut won't be far away now. With Sierralta out, we have WTE who can at least do a decent impression of a Premier League defender, but Cathcart wasn't good enough 2 years ago, and isn't good enough now, so we could do with Nkoulou stepping up to the plate quickly
     
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  34. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    That is hilarious. I feel his pain, but he had me in stitches. Brilliant stuff.
     
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  35. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I did mentioned that.
     

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