[SOLD] Emmanuel Dennis

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by Burnsy, Jun 21, 2021.

  1. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    How about they buy for £20m now but we have an obligation to buy back for say £18m if they get relegated and we get promoted ?
     
  2. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

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    Good idea - something that might benefit us unless Forest are going to pay some silly. loan fee .
     
  3. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

  4. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    Selling Dennis for £20m and replacing him with Davis, Manaj and Bayo for £10m or so would be catastrophically poor business even by the Pozzo's standards.

    No issue selling Dennis, but I'd rather we also sold Manaj and Bayo as well and brought in a proper forward.
     
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  5. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Unfortunately there is only one Watford football club in existence so this might be a tough task.
     
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  6. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Like Cucho Hernandez?
     
  7. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    Doesnt tick any of the boxes for what we need as I dont see him on Bayat's client list.
     
  8. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I think most football fans would see £20m for Dennis as a bargain.

    Lewis-Potter went from Hull to Brentford for £19m. Never played in the Prem before.
    McNeil from Burnley to Everton for £23m
    Collins from Burnley to Wolves for £24m

    I just think the valuation is too low for a player of his ability.
     
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  9. SerbianHornet

    SerbianHornet First Year Pro

    Forest seem desperate this window + Dennis is probably worth more than 20 million. We shouldn't let him go for under 25 million plus add ons or about 30 million without them imo.

    By various sources they spent around 20 million up front plus bonuses for Awoniyi who had 16 goal contributions in Bundesliga. Dennis had the same number in Premier League + he can play as a winger two. So the 25-30 million I said seems a fair asking price.
     
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  10. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Sell sell sell
     
  11. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    All homegrown
     
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  12. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    With the number of high-profile flops from the Bundesliga, it puzzles me why teams are still keen to spend such big money on players from there
     
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  13. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    Bundesliga’s s***. Players from the Portuguese league are more likely to make the step up to the PL.
     
  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    The Belgium league is clearly the easiest to step up from otherwise we surely wouldn’t keep buying from there.
     
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  15. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    Despite both the Sarr and Dennis sales being inevitable, it’s still a little depressing that they now appear to be materialising

    We’ll reinvest a fraction (if any) of the fees on replacements and go from auto challengers to playoff challengers overnight
     
  16. VR94

    VR94 Academy Graduate

    Strip everything else away and it probably does deserve to be recognised that we're close to completing a superb piece of business here.

    Spotting a bargain, giving the player a platform to perform and selling them on for an enormous profit should be our M.O. in the transfer market and this is the best example of it since Richarlison.

    (I know we were relegated anyway, I know plenty else doesn't feel particularly rosy, but this - in isolation - is good.)
     
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  17. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    One of the two needs to go. I had thought it would be Sarr but a front two of Sarr and Pedro would still be good at this level. It would also enable us to go three in the middle.
     
  18. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Yet another Watford manager being shafted by the ****s at the top.
     
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  19. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Based on Monday that might be optimistic!!
     
  20. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Local Leeds journalist reporting Sarr links are wide of the mark.
     
  21. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Why do they need to go?
     
  22. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    He’ll go somewhere though, that half way line goal sealed our fate
     
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  23. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    We could get £100m for him and I wouldn't trust this lot to adequately reinvest. At this point I'd rather keep the talented players than get four or five useless tw@ts that get loaned out again in January.

    We need to be vocal at matches. We moan about Mogi, Giaretta, Duxbury and Gino on here but I don't hear a peep at the ground. Some say that wouldn't help the team - but you know what really doesn't help the team? Those four lying pr1cks.
     
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  24. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Hopefully we can make the sales and pay-off some loans. The danger is we keep these players and get promoted, only to get smashed to bits in the PL by teams full of rich owners. Let’s embrace being a mid-table championship club, and stop getting ideas above ourselves.
     
  25. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Mogi is in for a very good August. He'll definitely have his fat fingers in the Sarr and Dennis deals.
     
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  26. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I could well be with you on this, but we really have to wait (however tough that is) until the window closes. If we sell Sarr and Dennis, but only get someone like Keinan Davies on loan, whilst muddling through with no RWB and no LCB, then that would be too much. I think the fans would turn on the board in their droves if the squad is devalued to that degree.

    But only one of Sarr or Dennis go (unlikely) or if they brought in real quality to replace them with, even on loan (not sure who), get Clarke at LCB, some speed merchant at RWB, it could still all be ok.
     
  27. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    The thing is though, you have to look at these things in the round and these bargains are offset by the money lost on utter *****.

    Dennis has been a real success, but how much of that profit is going to actually see our coffers when deductions are made for the losses on Pussetto, Bayo, Tufan etc.
     
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  28. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    ... and their replacements.
     
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  29. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Need to repay the £50m debt somehow at some point. If we could guarantee promotion or that we could sell them both for the same or more next summer, then we could keep them both. We need a Plan B if we don't go up before the parachute money runs out and Plan B can't be "we gave it our best shot but slipped into administration because we had no assets left to sell to pay down the debt".
     
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  30. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I think most clubs are smart enough not to be swayed by a one in a million goal like that, there's enough evidence to suggest he's the same player he's been for 3 years with us. Whether other clubs think there's something there to be fixed, and for a decent price, is another matter
     
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  31. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    Dennis is definitely a more sure bet than Sarr. I don't think Sarr's mentally tough enough to have a poor run at a bigger side
     
  32. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    We have needed to service debt before though and got by. I’m not saying that’s the right thing to do and I’m unhappy about. I agree selling one or both is the sensible way.

    But I just question the ‘need’ part as we have shown before that’s not true.
     
  33. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    We didn't look like playoff challengers with them at Albion.
     
  34. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Rennes are a bigger side and he was fantastic then.

    I still think Sarr has a bigger ceiling than Dennis - a good coach and a settled club will show that IMO. Dennis is too much of a maverick to knuckle down and get a move somewhere big.
     
  35. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Not sure why everyone's so angry. One of the two players was always going to leave. We got relegated, that unfortunately leaves a hole in the finances, if we get £20-25m for Dennis it'll range from Top 5-10 biggest Championship sales ever.

    Danjuma went to Villarreal for 21.5m, Bowen to West Ham for 20m, it's about the right kinda fee, preferably 20m upfront rather than a whole load of undisclosed add-ons but it was inevitable someone would go.
     

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