Duxbury Out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Cassetti's Beard, Dec 21, 2020.

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  1. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Well that seems fair enough. But how does that escalate to 3 people being threatened with legal action!!?
     
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  2. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    The most exciting event in the history of our club and I missed it.

    FHUCK MY LIFE.
     
  3. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Sorry, he's one of mine
     
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  4. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Well all I heard was that apparently [Redacted] is a complete [Redacted] and puts [Redacted] up his [Redacted] for fun, and he also interferes with [Redacted] but the [Redacted] aren’t pressing charges.

    I hope that clear things up.
     
  5. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    @nisman94 what’s the latest here?

    It’s been 24hrs since I’ve asked you to provide more detail around the exact nature of what I’m accused of and for you to tell/show me the posts in question like I’ve requested. I can see you have been online so there’s no way you haven’t seen those requests.

    Can I ask why you haven’t replied?
     
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  6. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It could just be because he's not answerable to you or anyone else? It's his name over the door. Back in the olden days of the forum it was always the case that Admin's word was final, this isn't a bastion of free speech nor a democracy. I think it's there in a rules somewhere. And if the mods got a legal threat, no matter how flimsy or ill-thought out it was, they'd often just pull the posts down on the basis they don't have time to deal with that crap. If anything the moderation on here has got far more chilled out as this place as matured, which I'd generally say is a good thing, but it also means on a rare occasion when the mods don't like something you probably just have to take it on the chin. Even if you're genuinely in the dark as to what was deemed to be the problem, and want solely to avoid falling foul of the same issue in future, I'm not convinced trying to air it all in public like this is a winning strategy...
     
  7. scummybear

    scummybear Reservist

    I think we had similar a while back where a certain former owner didn't like the claims made about them and threatened legal action.

    I'm not annoyed at Nisman (who I vaguely recall used to be an active poster, before taking over from admin), I'm not sure it was worth the risk taking the threat as a bluff, it's the person claiming that I'm annoyed by. Although I'm not entirely sure why the whole thread was removed, there was some good discussion on there before the last couple of pages went off the rails.
     
  8. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Nisman is the admin for the site.
    His private messages that were published are perfectly clear and more than fair. The mods support his actions.
    As are the forum rules, it isn’t a free for all.
    There is no room for personal named abuse which we seem to have to reiterate time and time again.
    The forum has no recourse to legal defence and is run by volunteers for all
    fans.
    If members do not like that they are free to leave.

    We realise this is not a great time for the team but getting at each other is not the answer. Venting is fine just avoid making it personal and abusive so we aren’t threatened with the police or legal action. Have some respect for the difference in opinion of fellow fans
     
  9. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I know tempers are high, but I can understand someone who runs a forum in their spare time, for free, taking the path of least resistance when some heavy handed threat is made against the forum.

    I'm sure people who run a forum to allow fans to chat about **** don't do so expecting to have a working knowledge of defamation law and even if they reasoned there was virtually no risk, I can understand that a war of words with another fan forum isn't great for anyone.

    As for the 1881, I have barely any opinion on them. I don't care about atmosphere at games. It's my view that atmosphere happens spontaneously, or not at all.

    I don't go to football to shout, sing or wave flags. I go to watch my team, be entertained or excited and hopefully have something to cheer about.

    The idea of bellowing songs when our team loses pitifully does nothing for me.

    The majority of opinions on the 1881 group are die hard COG rhetoric, but that's because the group seems to be made up mostly of people who seem to think there's a moral high ground in being a certain type of fan. I wouldn't even waste my time arguing with such zealots. We're just completley different types of fan who want different things from supporting Watford.

    I don't recall any really horrible comments about Hollywood on here, but understand that he and his followers might not like seeing perceived negativity from a separate forum, however, legal threats are ridiculous under the circumstances.

    On the whole, however, the 1881 aren't the problem. Sure they will be unlikely to help forment any unrest against Fux or Ponzo, but that's up to them. Let them enjoy their singing that I can't hear from the Family Stand and focus our ire on the bloke who is running our club, rather than anyone who might be gullible enough to be duped by him.
     
  10. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    The 1881 were created to solve a specific issue, I think it’s only right they’re held to account if it appears they are no longer adequately fulfilling the role they created for themselves. If they don’t like the criticism they could just ignore it, or even disband.
     
  11. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I agree broadly with your point - but I think it’s more than fair that when you are not only accused of making slanderous comments but found guilty of it, that you are told exactly what it relates to.

    I’ve been perfectly clear that I respect the boundaries of the forum and the way it’s run. I’ve also made clear that I know the limitations of the admins/mods when these issues arise.

    But I think it’s fair to know the exact detail in what I’m accused of, and that hasn’t been provided. You disagree, and I don’t mind that.
     
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  12. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    All fine, but surely for the benefit of the forum as a whole it would be good for us to know what kind of comment will trigger threats of legal action from the 1881? If only to avoid reoccurrence. I may have missed it but I can’t think of a single thing said about 1881 that would justify such a response.

    I fully understand pulling thread to keep the peace, but the point still stands.
     
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  13. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I agree it's fine to ask what it is you said that was problematic. That way it helps avoid it happening again. I didn't think there was much in it - though did cringe a bit at one post not written by you or JB - but I know from being on here for so long that my opinion matters zilch compared to the mods' view.

    I just personally wouldn't do this publicly or take the "it's been 24 hours" approach, which I don't think is awfully helpful.
     
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  14. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    The published messages from Nisman says the comments made were about an unofficial group, not an individual? If they were about an individual within that group, should the messages not have said that? (I’m not suggesting names should have been given but it would have made the correspondence more clear and understandable to know it’s a claim from a person not an unofficial group).

    And as @Jumbolina says, it really would be good to get clarification (even if privately) because I really cannot remember any comments I have made regarding this group or individual that are ‘slanderous’ (libellous). If only for the future good keeping of the forum.

    Are we going to start getting warnings and threats of bans when comments are made about COG’s or bedwetters?
     
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  15. J.B

    J.B First Team

    Yep I don't think many on here would argue with the majority of that post. However, if a moderator is telling people that they will be banned if they 'make comments like this again' surely it would be helpful if he or one of the other mods clarified what comments they are referring to in order to prevent it happening again? Because, as far as I'm aware, I have not been personally abusive/libellous towards anyone in this thread and I haven't seen anyone else be so either.

    The fact that so far no moderator has been able to put forward an example of an unacceptable post that has been made that we should all avoid making in the future suggests to me that there hasn't actually been one.
     
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  16. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    It even says to kindly check the comments made, despite not telling us what they were - and then the thread was deleted (which I understand)…but it does somewhat make it difficult to then check!
     
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  17. Halfwayline

    Halfwayline Reservist

    It feels to me that people are being scolded for stepping outside of boundaries when nobody knows what the boundaries are

    the rhetoric used against the likes of Gino, Duxberry, Boris and other left wing politicians were way worse than our debate about 1881

    anybody that puts their head above the parapet to launch a group/social media site are likely to have as many supporters as those that are critical. If you can’t handle the latter then maybe don’t do it

    I totally disagreed with peoples ire being aimed at other fans but I respect their right to air them
     
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