Double Vaccination Required To Attend Premier League Matches

Yes, the RHS crowd can get a bit lively after a glass or two of Pimms

 

You may think it’s a joke but you should see them necking champagne before going in. I restricted myself to two pints of ale when I went a couple of years ago.

 

Eminently noble restraint from a doyen of the British legal/horticultural establishment.

 

So we're now creeping down to vaccinating over 16 y.os. I suspect this 'creep' will continue until it's judged that 'herd immunity' has been reached. Whenever that might be.

 

I’m not sure if this is yet true with Covid, but is with ‘flu - the vaccine is designed to give broader protection, exposing the immune system to epitopes from a variety of strains/variants. Catching a specific variant only trains your immune system to recognise a single specific sequence, albeit one that will share antigenic regions with other variants. So getting a vaccine usually primes your immune system for a more robust response than exposure to the individual viral variant.

 

Thanks. I'll print that out and keep it in my wallet

 

Akcheally things get quite 'batey' on the final day when items in the gardens are sold...

 

Stupid chart that only an idiot would circulate. The NO side is right, the YES side would only be right if there was 100% uptake among those who have been offered it.

 

The no side is only right if the answer to the question were right, which it isn't? it's WRONG. Like you though, I'm becoming increasingly p.ssed off with this sort of nonsense being circulated by vaccine sceptics as of it's 'clever' or something. Maybe we should just go the whole way and simply put them all down instead. Lethal injection. One dose only required.

 

You are right, however from the flow chart aspect what I said is logically true!

 

My eldest and his crowd are a bit older - mid 20s. Not sure if that's relevant. By no means all were against having it but, as I said, the majority aren't planning to. Most of them live in South London now, so perhaps being close to Millwall and Palace fans has impacted on their thinking! Or maybe they've worked out how much financially better off they'd be if they managed to knock off their parents!

 

Facebooks finest

 

Many people don't want to download the NHS app.
All your data from the NHS app is going to the Police to form an unofficial DNA Police file.
You test positive, your file is kept for 20 yrs. You remain negative in tests, your file is kept for 5 yrs.
For sure the UK Police will keep both files for far longer.
If you don't have a Smart phone?
Some double jab certificates are not being accepted.
It should be a straight yes you can have fans or no you cannot.
You can apply to NHS Digital to have your Covid19 file erased. I am unsure at this point if the Police can table an objection.

 

You have absolutely no idea whatsoever what the police are going to do with whatever data you might provide. That post can safely be filed under 'utter b.llocks' no doubt derived from being stuck halfway up the Cha*nes des Aravis with very little snow about in early August.

It's the sort of stuff which silly numpties might take on board as being of 'equal value' to whatever they might hear from 'official channels' and invent their own conspiracy theories accordingly. How could the police, or anyone else, possibly have a DNA file on you? That App tells them precisely nothing about your DNA. I take it that science isn't your strong point.

In short, that post is an utter disgrace as we try to, collectively, navigate our way out of this thing. Snowman.

 

Well, Lou Reed used to be hit with a flower...every hour, I believe.

 

Don’t take this as a criticism of you personally but this post is absolute balloonery. Genuinely interested to know if you read it somewhere else and took it at face value or made it up yourself.

 

An 'unofficial' DNA police file?

Was this posted on Facebook or something?

 

No, clear as day in the media last year.
Police asking for access to NHS files. Not just for checking those avoiding quarantine, but total collection of all data including access to covid19 test DNA.

 

Asking isn't getting.

The NHS app is not just about Covid.

Covid-19 test is not a DNA test.

 

I never take it personally. Why would someone join a forum and then get upset?
The record is 20yrs on file for Positive test and 5 yrs for Negative test includes all DNA data collection. Police applied for access to all data collected.

 

You know the Range. Snow in August would be a first, but wouldn't help me mentally . l do take your point.
It's not about the NHS app.
Access to the collection of all covid19 test data was applied for by the Police. It would not be just for your name and address.
I am not an Area 51 believer.

 

You are correct. Asking for access is not a right.
The Police wasted very time in applying for it as the chance was too good to pass us.
DNA can be easily gleaned from a covid19 test.

 

Nurse! The screens!

 

Much better. A distinction between the NHS App. and test data.

What benefit do you think might accrue to the police if they had a DNA data bank? Well solving crime obviously. A number of crimes are indeed solved via that route these days already. Why would you regard that as a threat to you personally, unless you are intent on crime, however long they might hold that data? Do you think the police might profile you as a potential perpetrator based on your DNA? There is indeed some research to suggest that is a potential indicator of criminology.

Anyway, to be clear, I've never had that particular NHS App on my phone. I'm damned if I'll be 'pinged' and told to stay at home for a fortnight simply because some geezer down the other end of the pub tested positive. And this govt. has now rowed back on that, sensibly, because they were in danger of shutting down a whole load of businesses via a stupid, o.t.t. policy. So I always signed a piece of paper to get into a venue when required and, on enquiry, was ALWAYS told that they'd never had to contact ANYBODY as a follow up. Neither have I ever been tested. If I get/had got ill I might have done. Otherwise I'm not/couldn't be arsed. The polis have got plenty DNA on me already ta very much!

Throughout this whole thing I've simply applied my own common sense. A line between touching the forelock towards govt. hyperbole and recklessness. Not a particularly fine line to tread. I've found it an easy and broad one.

For example, in April last year, I set myself the task of seeing all the regularly occurring UK butterflies in a single year. There are 61 of them. And on 7 Sept. 2020, on Whitehawk Down, next to Kemptown racecourse in Brighton, I scored No.61 and completed the set. The Long-tailed Blue if anyone else is still listening.

Anyway, the point of this story is that there lies the easy path between knee-jerk obedience and recklessness. I didn't embark on that particular quest as some sort of 'Covid busting' mission. I simply didn't regard it as an issue. Travelling in my own vehicle, by myself, between various points and necessarily taking in Devon to the west, Norfolk to the east, Scotland to the north, northern Ireland and the Isle of Wight. Much of that was at the height of the 'stay at home message' and I had to kip in the car quite a bit. Some cracking sunrises at 4 a.m. in May!

Anyway, the point of that extended story was to point out the ease of ploughing a furrow between blind obedience and recklessness. I didn't do either. In my honest opinion of course. My objection to your original post was that it was hyperbolic and, whether specifically designed to or not, will have had the effect of 'putting the frighteners on' and discouraging those of your own age to get vaccinated.

I had my second jab five months ago now and am hoping for a booster next month. I'm a big fan of not letting those who are 'resistant' into various venues or onto aeroplanes. Not because I'd feel particularly threatened by them. But because I'd rather not sit next to someone who is congenitally stupid ta very much.

 

Can you provide a link for anything (a press story for example) that says the police applied for all available data and that that includes DNA data.

You stated as fact that they have access to the data and can store it for 20 years and have now revised it to saying they applied for data. A mind-blowing leap, but I guess it says a lot about our ability to fill in some pretty huge gaps with a stretch of the imagination.

 

No it can't.

A Covid test is just that.

A DNA analysis could be done as a separate test on a sample.

But it isn't done as part of Covid testing.

 

Can we move on from @LaClusazSki paranoia about finally being caught for the crime he committed in the past and get back to topic.

I have not seen anything about WFC asking for proof of test/vaccine for our game on Saturday, has anyone?

 

Some talk in the press this morning that PL clubs will be doing random checks of fans COVID status from this weekend onwards, with anticipation that the checks become mandatory by government decree at the end of September

The checks will allow for a negative test within the last 48 hours however, which makes it a lot more sensible and realistic than the original mooted plans of ‘no vaccine no entry’ in my opinion

It will be interesting to see how this works out however, I’m not convinced the clubs have been given enough time by the government to handle the logistics involved

 

My father phoned the club yesterday and was told they would not be checking this Saturday, but would be for future games.
I also heard what you mentioned on the radio, who knows what will happen on Saturday.
Unfortunately I have little faith that the club know what they are doing with all the issues around tickets at the start of this season.

 

E-Mailed the club yesterday and got a reply this morning saying no proof of test/vaccine required for this Saturday.

 

I read on the internet that you can't catch Covid on a Saturday - so no need for tests etc for the footy