(1) Daniel Bachmann

It’s you who has brought in the specific aspect of his catching. My comment was related to him being a ‘nervous wreck’ as you said.

And I do think any GK would be nervous behind our non-existent defence which can’t even hold a basic shape.

 

Possibly but not with crosses. He's 6'3, he only has to hop to outjump most players. Coaching for catching crosses is to take it at your highest point, so with the advantage of using your hands and outstretched arms, he can comfortably take a cross at 8 to 9 feet off the ground.

I keep referring to it but Sierralta's OG against Wolves tells you everything you need to know. 3 yards out, back post and waist level...it should never have got there.

 

Considering we have two, maybe three players for who the PL isn’t beyond, why is not having a world beating goalkeeper suddenly a big thing? Gomes was prone to an error but he had a relatively well drilled defence in front of him.

Bachmann had a guy who couldn’t get in our Championship team and the worst passer of the ball ever being entrusted with passing the ball out in front of him.

 

But you’re going off on a tangent about his catching, that’s the point.

I have said I don’t think Bachmann is good enough and I’ve said he’s got weaknesses he can work/improve on.

The point is you said I was being absurd for saying any GK in the world would be nervous behind our defence - because you said Bachmann specifically is a ‘nervous wreck’.

Ederson, Allison, Donnarumma - all on a different stratosphere to our GK’s. And would have performed better than Foster did on Saturday or Bachmann did against Spurs. But they would still have been nervous if they’d been behind our defence in those games. Simple as that.

 

Gomes made far fewer errors for us than he did genuinely world class saves. For me he was a big part in us getting up and staying up as he was a PL-level goalkeeper. Can’t say that for Foster (at least the elderly end of career version) or Bachmann.

 

You're making the wrong distinction. Those keepers have supreme confidence in themselves, they have a swagger and don't worry about making a mistake and quickly forget about it if they do. They take the responsibility of a situation away from defenders - they command.

Bachmann lacks confidence in himself and therefore doesn't take responsibility, he leaves it to the defenders and doesn't command his area because he is nervous. If he was coming for everything up to the penalty spot (within reason) he'd get alot more right than he would wrong. The defence wouldn't sit so deep.

Command your area, marshall your defence and clean up the scraps.

Bachmann can do that, he did last season. He needs to find his self belief, once he has that confidence, the defence start getting confident.

 

I’m not making the wrong distinction at all. Those GK’s have grown because they are behind ace defenders - sure they are individually brilliant too but there is no escaping the fact that they will be supremely confident because of what is in front of them. Donnarumma broke through at a poor Milan side and whilst impressive, he also made many mistakes behind a poor backline. Allison made some howlers last season because Liverpool’s backline was exposed. He wasn’t the same player he was in the previous season. It was a confidence issue.

A GK gets some of his confidence from within - but he also gets confidence from the defence in front of him to protect him. Our defence this season has been all over the shop and lacked little, or any, shape most of the time - put any GK behind them, world class or not, they would be nervous about what’s to come in the 90 mins ahead.

I’m baffled how you can’t see that. I’ll leave it there.

 

Sorry no, just no. A defence makes a keeper world class? If a keeper has a weak defence, they learn alot quicker, they get better and they take up the challenge.

Keepers make mistakes, all players make mistakes. Those mistakes come from trying to take responsibility, if a weak shot gets by them...it happens. But the difference is they forget it and carry on as if it didn't happen...they don't go into their shell, they carry on. None of those keepers have stopped doing what they did before. Bachmann has.

Take off the Foster-hate tinted glasses and look critically...he's changed his game to his detriment.

I'm not baffled you can't see that so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

Sorry to intervene so late into the debate but I’m not sure about the bit in bold. I recall Bachmann was just as passive in his run in the side last season as he started this one. I’m pretty sure the stats clearly showed we gave up so few chances to the opposition through the whole team’s defensive efforts compared to every other team in the Champ. In essence he was challenged less than a keeper probably would be normally and did the basics well enough to get a string of clean sheets. I don’t remember many commanding performances.

 

He barely had a shot to save last season. And barely a cross to catch, which may be why he seems to not understand at all how to deal with them, other than to stand behind the goal-line and hope his CBs can head or hook the ball out of the 6 yard box.

 

God, I’ve tried to keep this civil. Read the post where I SPECIFICALLY said I like Foster!!! I just think he’s got his priorities massively wrong. You’re just purposefully ignoring things now because it fits you’re opinion to do so.

Much like how you claimed Scuffet is an amazing young GK - yet has just been sold to Cyprus for 300k after never breaking through after 8yrs at Udinese. Or how you didn’t understand why people were discussing Ben Foster on the Ben Foster thread.

I’m not really going to trust your judgment on that evidence am I?

And Bachmann hasn’t changed what he was doing before. He is an average shot-stopper who looked better than he was last year because he was under-worked in the Championship and had a defence in front of him that was okay for the level. He still was poor under a high ball and poor coming off his line. He’s literally the same slightly less-than-average-on-the-whole GK he was last season - just the defence in front of him is now worse through the middle, has lost all shape and we are up against better attackers. So the confidence he had last season has gone whilst he still poor under a high ball and coming off his line. Because he always was and you, if anything, are actually doing him a favour by saying he was good at it last season!

And I never, ever said a good defence makes a GK world class. You’re putting words in my mouth. I said a good defence gives a GK confidence, irrespective of their ability. But a bad defence will make even the best of GK’s nervous at times, leading to mistakes. Are you suggesting that good GK’s aren’t at all affected by the defence in front of them? Because that’s a folly argument that’s been proven wrong season-after-season by some of the worlds best at times.

 

I think given most people think there’s not a lot between the two (I personally think Bachmann is a bit better because he doesn’t have a YouTube channel). But as there isn’t much between them, it makes no sense to play Foster, who’s leaving at the end of the season, over Bachmann, who’s got potential to develop into a solid Prem level keeper. Bachmann should be starting this weekend that’s for sure

 

I think Bachmann being timid as a kitten and flummoxed by crosses is more important than Ben having "a YouTube channel".
Maybe Bachmann has one too too and we just ain't seen nothin' yet ?

 

I personally think having a YouTube channel and saying the same nonsense every week is worse than being hesitant with crosses. Let’s not forget, Foster is as bad as Bachmann in that regard, he just comes for it too quickly and flaps 90% of the time

 

Foster has let in more preventable goals than Bachmann this season. Surely thats the measure here?

 

Personally, Foster gives me more confidence because he’s not scared of anything, I don’t actually ever worry or think about what Foster is going to do, whereas I can kind of feel the fear and hesitance radiating off Bachman, and I do constantly worry for him and us every time the ball goes near the box.

Either way neither are good enough, and I can absolutely guarantee that like most of our players, give Bachman a run of games again and before long there will be calls for Foster to be reinstated and the cycle will repeat itself again.

 

I think it's more than just this season and more than just the number of preventative goals let in. I'm convinced that the back 4/5 are more confident with Foster behind them than Bachmann who just excudes nervousness and indecision. Yes Foster makes the odd gaff and isn't as agile as he once was, but I like his relaxed attitude and personality. Yes the "tickets to scouser" was a mistake and his YouTube stuff is irritating, but I'd rather see a GK walk off the pitch not letting a mauling get to him and still in good confident spirit, than looking emotionally distraught and almost in tears but "showing that he cares".
Just my view.

 

When has Bachmann ever looked distraught or almost in tears?! Aren’t we in danger of going OTT a bit there!? Unless you are speaking more generally of course.

If the back-four are more confident with Foster behind them, they’ve been doing a wonderful impression of a back-four with no confidence for the past 3 games!

 

I think that the defence being more confident in Foster is a bit of a myth considering we concede more with Foster and genuinely look even worse defensively when he starts. Also never seen Bachmann look close to tears either. Bachmann handles pressure better than Foster imo. Foster didn’t make it higher up the league because his mentality is supposedly very weak according to Ferguson

 

All opinions innit. But you're both wrong

 

Bachman loses his mind after he makes an error, like when he kicked the turf for Austria, or when he inexplicably almost picked the ball up miles outside of the area this season.

 

For all Bachmann's long-standing issues with crosses, how many goals in the whole Championship season was he responsible fot letting in from crosses? (Granted, Derby should have got a goal from a flap, but it was disallowed). The Championship simply doesn't have the same level of quality in terms of players who can really take advantage of any weaknesses like that, perhaps he could have done better at Tottenham, but nobody in the Championship last season put in such a teasing ball against him

I think it's a bit unfair to Bachmann to compare him to Xisco, Xisco was always miles out of his league, whereas I think the impression around Bachmann was that he may have been Prem quality, he may not have, but that there were bigger problems to fill (and probably still are, even when we have a fully fit squad available to us)

 

That was against Forest, wasn't it? I don't remember him making any mistakes other than that in that game. Him tripping himself up on the turf in Austria is probably because he's used to far better surfaces too!

If anything, I think he's very good at putting mistakes behind him, probably his worst mistake last season was letting in a soft one at Bournemouth, yet he played a part in us putting together 6 wins in a row after that. He struggled badly against Derby, but made probably the best save he's ever made for us late on in that game straight from the corner

 

There was one game where the opposition put it under the bar from every corner and it was uncomfortable to watch but it may have been the games you describe above, I can’t remember the team.

He was very sketchy at Ewood Park. And was partially at fault for the penalty conceded against the vermin up the road too.

I have honestly tried not to be too harsh on Bachmann this season - I was trying to defend him earlier if anything! I think he was unfairly dropped and I think he should be recalled. I prefer him to the declining Foster. But I do think Ranieri is likely to stick with Foster.

I think Bachmann has the time and scope to become a solid GK. But whether we can afford to give him that time this season with the defence in the state it is, I’m not so sure. I suspect we need more of a ‘sure thing’ who isn’t on the decline and/or sidetracked with other matters like Foster. I’d like us to try and swap Foster for Johnstone in January personally and try and fund that. Would be a hard sell though if WBA are riding high and we are mired down the bottom of the PL.

 

Pretty sure that was Derby, they clearly did their homework, and had clearly worked very hard on their set pieces, some impressive stuff from them in that regard (shame about their open play though!). Against Blackburn...I seem to recall their opener stemmed from not the best kick from Bachmann, but that we had plenty of opportunities to get rid of it before they lashed it home, and their second was a cross, but it was a great delivery, and a crowded 6 yard box which would have made it difficult for any keeper to claim. Against L*ton...maybe you can blame him, he made a split-second decision which turned out to be the wrong one, but I'm sure many keepers would have done the same, I'd lay the vast majority of the blame on the guy who put him in that situation! I think overall, a lot of Bachmann's mistakes aren't outright howlers like Foster's, but merely ones where he could have done better, if you get what I mean.

I'd love to have Johnstone, he's a clear upgrade on all of our options, although I'm sceptical that we'd be able to get him, I'm sure we could afford his transfer fee given he's out of contract soon, but his wages are another matter, and if any other Prem club comes in for him, that's us basically out of the race. I'd love to go back in for Yokuslu, we need a genuine defensive midfielder, and I think that deal might be slightly more likely, although with us more than likely in big trouble come January, we will be a less attractive proposition than in the summer

 

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Daniel Bachmann: “Let’s get straight to my personal situation; I haven’t played in the last two games, and before that, missed three games due to injury. Yes, I’m fit again now and that’s great. It’s a strange situation, a bit incomprehensible for me. I assume that everything will be sorted out again and that I will be able to play normally. If not, one will have to take a closer look at the situation in January, but I’m hopeful that it will change again in the coming days and weeks.”

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Don’t like the tone of what he’s saying. No loss in my opinion. He’s not good enough to be a number one.

 

Ah, good, we've got two bang average goalkeepers who are getting well above their station. Excellent.

 

Pretty bizarre stuff from Bachmann. I think he's better than Foster but he's very lucky to be at a Premier League club. I don't see him playing for anyone better than us so where does he expect to go? There were rumours of Arsenal but he'd be lucky to play a few Carabao Cup games for them.

 

Alexa, show me someone overplaying their hand...