Cuban Situation

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Jul 30, 2021.

  1. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Happy Birthday to him.

    But it could be said that being the head of a realm where no one successfully challenged his leadership in over fifty years and where he was succeeded by his brother, is monarch-like, no matter what he had scratched on his stone, and monarchs who are also the head of government, where elected figures are literally municipal representatives, are most assuredly dictators

    But if the people, in the majority, genuinely loved him, good luck to him, and them.
  2. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    On the question of whether the people genuinely loved him or not, this same question was asked by the US director Oliver Stone when he made his film 'Comandante'.

    At the time, the two of them were in Fidel's motorcade at night in Centro Habana - where I used to live. There aren't any street lights and the roads have a lot of potholes. It looks a bit rough round there.

    Anyway, by way of answer, Fidel got his driver to stop the car and he and Stone got out and walked. All the neighbours flooded the streets and were hanging from their windows and balconies to cheer 'Fidel! Fidel!'. It was very powerful.

    He had a kind of personality that people couldn't resist and I think it was for that reason he was head of state so long. People identified him as "carrying Cuba on his shoulders". I remember talking with some officials there and they told me that when the foreign diplomats and visitors come, nobody wants to talk to the tourism minister, nobody wants to talk to the finance minister. Everyone wants to meet with and talk to Fidel Castro.

    I do understand what you mean about Fidel being head of state for so long, but I think you need to understand it in that context and from him being the hero of the revolution who (in Cuban eyes) delivered them independence and sovereignty for the first time. I would also point out that there's one country where the head of state has been in place for even longer. And she's unelected and she plans to hand over to her son! And her grandson after that! Raul was also a hero of the Revolution and one of the 13 survivors from the Granma expedition, so I think that's of at least equal relevance to him being Fidel's brother.

    By the way, don't you think Fidel and Raul's retirement and handing over of power was most un-dictatorlike too?
    HenryHooter likes this.
  3. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

  4. ST1968

    ST1968 Academy Graduate

    Good evening Henry,

    I made two general comments about how people in behave on social media. One of them is a serious point. Of course I thought they might provoke a reaction/discussion but neither comments warrant the repeated personal abuse. After it went abusive I simply replied with a smile and a laugh. This was the right way to react, rather than indulge in a spat or trade insults.

    Now in honour of Kucka's fine debut on Saturday I leave you with a Slovakian proverb to hopefully leave you with a smile. Translates to "never allow yourself to be a person who preaches water but drinks wine". In post #131 I believe you preached "Let it die mate".
  5. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Your posts are there for all to read, and you explicitly said you were referring to me, in your reply to ZZ.

    And it died four days ago. So why you are breathing new life into it now, whilst suggesting I can't let it go, I don't know.
  6. ST1968

    ST1968 Academy Graduate

    Oh the irony,

    Enjoy the vino
  7. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Oh the lack of self awareness. Enjoy the alternative universe.
  8. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Cuban medics already in place helping those injured in the Haitian earthquake.

    Unfortunately, with things going on elsewhere in the world, the poor Haitians have become 'other news' and relegated to the forgotten.
  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    We’ll undoubtedly be sending our brave Oxfam sexual abusers as soon as we can.
    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin likes this.
  10. ST1968

    ST1968 Academy Graduate

    I have to take my hat of to you. I now know yours is a parody account and I have been Whooshed.

    And to think I thought I was being provocative.

    Seriously, well done. It really has been funny.
  11. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Let go ST. It’s over. The politics section, and it’s petulant childish ways, is gone. Let it die.

    If you want to contribute to the discussion on Cuba, great (you haven’t yet). But enough of your pithy and ill informed commentary on what other people are saying, and then accusing them of abusing you!!
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2021
  12. ST1968

    ST1968 Academy Graduate

  13. Has this **** signed yet ?
  14. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Even with so much going on around the world and so many dead and injured, Haiti, Afghanistan, Colombia, I know you will have continued to worry about the fate of poor old Enrique Mustelier Sosa - your single example of a supposedly 'disappeared' person amongst the "hundreds" of disappeared you claimed. So I'm pleased to be able to bring you an update from the same wormery website as previously-

    According to them, Mr Mustelier Sosa is "Detained in Guantanamo (fortunately for him, not THAT Guantanamo!). He was (my emphasis) in forced disappearance. The prosecution said that he was on Operations, but he is in a municipality called Salvador; they gave him a beating. They haven't let him call."

    I don't quite understand how the defence of having been in Salvador Municipality precludes you from having been on 'operations' works. Presumably its supposed to be a defence that he wasn't anywhere near the wire round the Yankee base doing who knows what with them, as he has been caught doing in the past. Well, anyway, the defence didn't work, it looks like he got found guilty and according to the worms, he's "in detention". Although I wouldn't trust a word from those worms, if the treacherous, homeland-selling Mr Mustelier really did get beaten, then I'm sorry to hear that. But that's what happens when you take part in a violent riot. I'm also sorry to hear that he "couldn't call" although the fact we know some details of the prosecution case against him and his feeble defence, it would seem obvious that some sort of communication with him obviously has taken place.

    Will you NOW accept that Mr Mustelier Sosa has NOT been 'disappeared' and that his whereabouts and legal status is clear? In fact, he never was disappeared, it just seems that with the large number of arrested on that day, they were a little slow in some cases in carrying out the admin work of advising families of the arrests. They were never going to telephone people in the United States to tell them their family members had been arrested and despite her protests, I don't suppose the Miami sister ever expected them to. She just wanted to kick up a wormy anti-Cuba fuss at the CIA/Mafia press briefing that was staged (you remember we discovered that's where Sky got the news (sic) from?) so that ignorant news articles would be produced that twits could link to. And it worked.

    If you will finally accept the non-disappearance of Mr Mustelier Sosa and not make silly conspiracy theory arguments about him being a doppelganger put there by the state and so on, you may be tempted to change target and claim that someone else was 'disappeared' in Cuba. If you'd like to sort the wormy list I linked to and check the 'latest status' column, you'll find that everyone (without exception) is either detained in custody, in prison or being processed. There are NO claims of anyone being 'disappeared'. No international organisation, such as Amnesty or even your beloved HRW, are claiming anybody was disappeared. Even the most militant worm isn't claiming it.

    Are you still going to outflank the Miami wormery on the crazy spittle-flecked right though and still stick grimly to your claims of "hundreds" of disappeared in Cuba, or will you finally have to concede to logic and reason?
  15. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    To be honest Clive, having read your post, I don't understand where you are coming from. It seems to be a round-a-bout tour of nothing substantial whatsoever.

    Plainly and simply Clive, if the bloke has not disappeared, just tell me where he is, what charges he has been found guilty of, what sentence he has received. This is the information routinely published in civilised society. So where is it? Did he get 6 months or 60 years? Or life?

    You seem to think he took part in a violent riot, so where are the charges? You will find that for violent riots in western countries, the court records are easily found, you seem to come up with sweet FA.

    Also helpful to prove he is still alive and well, would be whether he is allowed visitors or callers.

    Considering this disappearance has been shared across the world I am sure the Cuban government will have published this information to prove that he has now re-appeared. So where is it?
  16. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    He is detained in custody in Guantanamo. I already said that. The website list I linked to says that. What is it about his location you don't understand?

    Don't know the exact charges, but I will endeavour to find out for you. Something to do with being counter-revolutionary and being "on operations". Conspiring with the enemy? Spying? Membership of a proscribed organisation?

    Unknown, but again I will endeavour to find out for you and report back. Personally, if the littleshit really was "on operations" and had been mobilised in some way to cause insurrection by his 'buddies' on the other side of the wire, then I hope they put him so far back in the prison they have to pump air to him.

    Anyway, I can't help but notice that your wild and insulting claims of "hundreds of disappeared" now appear to have melted away into desperate demands for administrative details. Once again though you have carefully dodged the question. So I will ask it again.

    Do you continue to claim that Enrique Mustelier Sosa has been disappeared by the Cuban government? Yes or no. Never mind the waffle. Yes or no.
    Moose likes this.
  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Good luck getting a straight answer.
  18. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It has and your petulant childish ways with it. You did everyone a real service by your sabotage. You are a peripheral figure now, while we get on chatting and having a laugh, which is what your bizarre opinions deserve.
  19. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Haha, it seems that your preferred method of incarceration for prisoners is far worse that the yanks use Guantanimo that you always moan at.

    Of course yes I still maintain he has disappeared. He may have re-appeared once his plight was all over the media, but then I am sure you will prove that.

    I can't help but notice that all these political prisoners seem to have an "unknown" (your word) fate, no proof they are still alive, no specific charges and no specific sentences. I find it laughable that you think that because a government with a long history of detaining political prisoners (and worse) says that someone has been detained, it automatically means they are above and well. :D
  20. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Oooh er Moosey.

    I appear to be living rent free in your head mate. Let it go.

    That was a dead conversation for days now, and your comments make no sense. If I didn't know you were a successful executive, I'd advise you not to drink alone.
  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Yeah, yeah, classic internets. Evidently, I’m not tracking your every move. No one is. So sad.
  22. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    You felt the need to say something mate, not me. You know what you are.
  23. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    OK, so it's off to the distant right so far that you're even outflanking the Miami mafia on the far right. That's fine. I shall continue to keep an eye on the treacherous Mr Mustelier Sosa and continue to bring you further evidence until it gets so embarrassing that even you have to admit he's alive and well.

    Whilst investigating, I did find some more details about the fascinating life of the Musteliers and all the terrible things they've experienced. The interview in Spanish (pre-rioting and nicking) is here

    Mr Mustelier says he was always "a very restless person". Perhaps this was caused by his father who'd been in the Cuban military (presumably fairly senior) being arrested for what Mr Mustelier notes was "espionage". Although you gave a very strong defence of Mr Mustelier Sr's free liberty and anti-communist efforts to sell the plans of the defensive system of the eastern region of Cuba to the US Naval Base at Guantánamo, disappointingly his own son offers no such excuses. He doesn't claim his father was innocent or justified or anything else. So you're way to the right of him too.

    Although Mustelier Sr. was (understandably given the gravity of his crime) initially sentenced to capital punishment, the Revolution is nothing if not compassionate and his sentence was commuted to 16 years in prison. You don't often find that sort of clemency off to the north, do you?

    Now we can imagine that following these events of young Enrique's childhood, the whole family would have been looked at suspiciously as counter-revolutionaries and perhaps 'trading with the enemy'. So it wasn't very wise of Enrique to make a 'joke' (we don't get told what it was) to his school class concerning Fidel and the Granma landing. We can suppose that it was pretty insulting, because Enrique whines that in response the teacher grabbed him by the earhole and damaged the ligament, which still causes him pain today. So there's clear evidence of Castro-ite earhole abuse for you there. You want to note that one down. I reckon there's plenty of English people who wish the teachers would start pulling a few ears in the schools today.

    Anyway, happily, this wormy episode doesn't seem to have impacted on Enrique's schooling. He notes he went on to complete all 12 years of education, free of charge, at the Revolution's expense. Not something every developing country can boast, that, is it? However it was not without further incident. Before 1959 there was a huge disparity between the comparitively well-off cities (casinos, hotels, brothels etc) compared with absolute poverty in the countryside and agriculture. Because of that and Fidel's 'levelling up' agenda, all Cuban city school kids have to go out for a month or so on a residential to help in the agriculture. It gives them an appreciation and understanding of the countryside and her people. Ciff loved doing hers picking coffee beans up in the Escambray mountains. So, a noble aim you might think, but Mr Mustelier Sosa was not convinced. He considered the agriculture school "an invention of Castroism" which "ruptures the model of the Cuban family". Perhaps it was these views that lead to him getting in to "an argument" on the coffee plantation and getting expelled and sent home in disgrace.

    In the meantime, Mr Mustelier made his living illegally as a teenager, selling dodgy pizzas on the black market. What a card eh? He certainly knows how to confound the authorities with their silly licences and hygiene regulations! I wonder if he was a colleague of those other illegal Cuban pizza sellers a while back who poisoned a dozen or so people after mistakenly using rat poison in their sourdough mix? Anyway, he appears to have got away with his delinquent lifestyle as there's no mention of any further "oppression" he suffered and indeed he was able to go on to University. Free of charge. At the Revolution's expense of course. Not many countries in the whole world, never mind the developing world, where you go to university free of charge, eh? He studied Chinese acupuncture and massage courses at the Bioenergetic Medicine School, but on completion of his free studies was not grateful to the Revolution in the slightest because (and I ShitYou not) "It does not give its citizens opportunities, nothing". He was also dissatisfied because he "had had many problems with many communist people" on account of that fact he had "expressed myself openly, I had said what I thought". We're not treated to any details of what these "expressions" may have been, so again we have to imagine. Obviously nothing that got him into serious trouble though, because just "a few days later" after completing his free further education, he was caught trying to creep in to the US military base again. He says he was trying to defect, but of course all criminals caught stealing etc say it's the first time they've done it. Wouldn't surprise me if he was backwards and forwards to that bloody base taking and bringing who knows what. I was glad to see he was captured by the famous red berets, of which my brother in law Javier is a member. Enrique admits that despite his treachery "he remembers not having been treated so badly there". I expect though, that being to the right of him, you'll probably want to claim he was horribly tortured and then executed.

    Then of course, it was following in father's footsteps and off to prison where he was "thrown" into a cell and given nothing! Well a mattress to sleep on, but otherwise nothing! He got sentenced to 5 years, which seems fairly lenient. He got out in 2015 and then became "an activist" with UNPACU (The Cuban Patriotic Union! Ta ra! Fart noise....) who, coming round in a full circle again, are heavily financed by USAID and NED. Indeed Enrique seems to have left the illegal pizza business and become a "full time salaried agent of the United States" according to the prosecution.

    That of course takes us up to the present day and Mr Mustelier's current imprisonment. As you know, the wormery in their document claim he is entirely innocent of any protests or rioting. He certainly wasn't "on operations" as the prosecution claim. He was miles away in Salvador municipality, having somehow missed the opportunity of joining in the biggest anti-government protests ever seen since 1959. Unfortunate that for a self-described activist, don't you think?

    Anyway, I'll continue to find out more about Mr Mustelier's plight and while we're waiting, in the meantime, could you perhaps let me have the names of some of the other of the "hundreds" you said had been disappeared in Cuba? There must be at the very least 199, right, so it should be easy for you?

    Just give me a dozen or so names to get started. Thanks in advance!
  24. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I won't be embarrassed at all.

    I can go online and in a few minutes I can find out what someone has been charged and found guilty off in the UK. I checked last week on one of my old school pals who was sentenced 12 years ago, and the info is there, and plain to see. What he was charged with, found guilty of, and his sentence. He hasn't disappeared!

    The fact that you've been desperately looking for a month and not found a ****ie-bird (even though this is now a well-publicised case) shows that it should be you that feels embarrassed.

    My amazement is that you, an obviously intelligent man, cannot see the absurdity of your logic in this thread. Give it up Clive, you are embarrassing yourself.

    But, if you want more. Take the last 10 of those shown as , "El desapancion forzada" or "forced disappearance" in English on the spreadsheet that you offered to us on here. The spreadsheet you obviously thought was trustworthy but chose to be dishonest about its contents. So look at the last ten, and see if you can come back with their charges and sentences.
  25. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Aaaarghhh! Not a d1cky bird! What!? I've told you where he is, what he's been charged with, what his defence was, what he got in trouble at school for, what he studied at the university, what he picked on his agricultural service, why he got arrested and even why his feeble defence of being elsewhere at the time is almost certainly a lie. I've provided links to US funding - again! Bloody hell, I'll get the bloke's inside leg measurement next if you want!

    The fact you can't peruse the full details of convictions online, like you can here, is an administrative complaint far away distant from your claim of "hundreds of disappeared".

    I'll ask again. Please may I have another dozen or so sample names of the supposed 'disappeared' - you have "hundreds" to choose from after all - or alternatively a full retraction of your unfounded accusation along with an apology.

    PS Sorry to hear your mate got caught with his fingers in the till - still, an occupational hazard in your game I suppose. I had no idea you could look at conviction records online. Link please.
  26. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Mustelier sounds like a bit of a ***, to be honest.
    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin likes this.
  27. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Yes, but if you read the full version instead of Clive's fictional version, you will see a different picture.

    For example,
    Clive's version was that he sold dodgy pizza's... "selling dodgy pizzas on the black market. What a card eh? He certainly knows how to confound the authorities with their silly licences and hygiene regulations! I wonder if he was a colleague of those other illegal Cuban pizza sellers a while back who poisoned a dozen or so people after mistakenly using rat poison in their sourdough mix?"

    In reality, the 15 year old teenager tried to get permission to work self-employed instead of "for the revolution" so he could sell pizza's and provide for his family in the absence of his father. It was nothing to do with "dodgy" unhygenic pizza's that poisoned. Clive just totally made that up.

    The truth is more interesting than Clive's fictional account, even if not so funny. He doesn't come across as the most friendly of individuals, but he had his resons. Here it is, without Clive making parts up.

    "I don't want a right-wing or a left-wing country. I want a country that always moves forward, "emphasizes Enrique Mustelier Sosa, an opponent of the Cuban regime from Guantánamo.
    Enrique Mustelier Sosa was born on December 29, 1982 in the city of Guantánamo, more precisely in the suburb of La Loma del Chivo, into, as he says, a modest and hard-working family. "I've always been a very restless person," Enrique describes his younger self. It was this unrest, along with the things that had happened to his father, that led him to the path of opposition.

    Father convicted of espionage
    His father, originally a soldier, was sentenced to death. His sentence for the crime of espionage was later reduced to 16 years in prison. Enrique's father tried to take plans for the defense system of the eastern region of Cuba to the US naval base at Guantánamo. During his father's imprisonment, Enrique had to take care of the whole family. He considered starting to work as a self-employed person to be the best way to achieve this. Illegally, of course. "Thanks to working as a self-employed person, I matched my mother's salary in two days, sometimes in one day," says Enrique. In addition to providing a livelihood for the whole family, he continued to study, although in reality he did not want to continue his studies.

    Vtip or Granma
    In the fifth grade of elementary school, he experienced his first violent encounter with the repressive regime of Cuba, "One history teacher almost ripped my ear off," Enrique recalls. It was due to a joke about the Granma yacht [1] . He ended up with damaged ear cartilage. Everything took place during the so-called Special Period [2] . "I knew that a degree or a career were not the solution to this country's problems," Enrique sums up his view of Cuban education. Nevertheless, he continued his studies at sports school. He was eventually expelled due to an argument over a coffee plantation where students worked on a rural school project [3] : "[Rural schools] are an invention of Castrism [4]., which resulted in the separation and disintegration of the traditional family model in Cuba, "he describes the implications of this educational project.

    Self-employed without patent
    After being expelled from a rural school, Enrique returned to his hometown of Guantánamo, where he continued his studies at a local high school. In addition, he began working as a self-employed pizza delivery man, but without official permission. "Without a certificate, in secret, you know how it goes," adds Enrique. He tried to obtain a self-employed license, but his application was rejected. "They told me it was for the elderly that I had to work for the Revolution," he recalls when he was 15 years old. After completing 12 classes of the school, he enrolled in acupuncture and Chinese massage courses, which he completed in 2010 at the School of Bioenergetic Medicine [Escuela de Medicina Bionergética]. A few days later, at Christmas, he tried to flee Cuba through the Guantánamo naval base.

    Reasons to escape from Cuba
    Enrique Mustelier Sosa had several reasons to flee Cuba and seek freedom. "[I escaped] mainly because of my complete disagreement with the tyrannical regime in Cuba implemented in 1959. This model does not work. The model, as I call it, terrorist. It does not work. It gives its citizens no opportunities, nothing. I've had a lot of problems with him, I've had problems with the communists all my life. I spoke openly, saying what he thought, and a person who chooses such a path has virtually all the doors closed in this country. I felt cornered, they even threatened to imprison me. […] I've seen myself in prison before, so I thought that before going to jail for a fictional crime, I would try to emigrate, get out of the regime's trap, "Enrique lists the reasons that led to the radical decision.

    Caught near the naval base
    Enrique crossed the border during Christmas 2010, not eating or drinking for two days, all during a particularly cold winter. He was hypothermic, soaked from the rain, and just as he managed to pass through a minefield, on December 24, 2010, he was spotted by one of the soldiers. "One of the worst Christmas Eve [Noche buena] in my life," he recalls. Enrique, trapped in a "military anthill", eventually surrendered and was taken to the headquarters of the counter-intelligence [Unidad de Contrainteligencia] by the so-called "red berets [5].“. He was not treated as badly as a counterintelligence officer, as later at the Ministry of the Interior, where he ended up a few days later on 28 December. Everything happened quite quickly, on December 31, Enrique was transferred to the Guantánamo Provincial Prison [Prisión Provincial de Guantánamo]. "There they cut my hair, threw me into a temporary cell while they took me to prison, they didn't give me anything, one mattress a night and done," recalls Enrique, 28, at the time of my imprisonment. During the military trial, although he was to be tried in civil proceedings, the prosecutor proposed eight years in prison. Finally, Enrique was sentenced to 5 years in prison at Guantánamo.

    Paramilitary councils
    There were strong clashes in Guantánamo with the so-called paramilitary councils [Consejos Paramilitares]. "The council is made up of several people. If it is a more or less fair council, it is about six [persons]. But in these cases, paramilitary units have up to 20 members. They are prisoners who, in exchange for a little more food, a marital visit to their wife, an extra visit, cigarettes or drugs, including drugs to let them trade, give them everything, are asked by [State] security to oppress the regime's opponents in particular. This is their job. Suppress opponents mode. That is the work of paramilitary councils, "Enrique describes the functioning of the Cuban prison.

    Opposition after imprisonment
    In 2015, Enrique finally got out of prison and immediately went to work. As before his imprisonment, he collected signatures for the Varela project [6] and continued his opposition activities. He was part of the Club de Prisioneros Políticos and began working with some members of UNPACU [7] [Unión Patriótica de Cuba]. In some cases, he opposed the regime himself. "So we continue to fight against the evil committed, against the dictatorship," Enrique sums up the opposition's activities.

    His "missing" father
    An extraordinary force that always pushed him forward was the case of his father, Enrique Mustelier Turr, who was imprisoned for espionage. Enrique's father "disappeared" during a hunger strike in April 2013. His relatives were informed that he had escaped, although Enrique still has doubts about how his father could have escaped from a "water-bound prison" as he described his father's imprisonment. "They don't want to admit my father's death, but I will be tireless and one day someone will be responsible," adds Enrique, convinced that his father was murdered in prison.

    Here's the door
    "Let me also say something about the opposition at Guantánamo, because I had a chance to be active in Havana as well. Opposition activity at Guantánamo is more difficult than in any other province, simply because only 23 km from where I sit is a US naval base. At all costs, the [regime] is trying to ensure that nothing happens here at Guantánamo. There is no political police, but even the opponents of the regime do not let them live here, "Enrique describes the constant regime harassment. However, he sees a light at the end of the tunnel. "Every day more and more dissatisfied people, even former local members of the armed forces that I know, speak worse than you or me, they are retired, but they speak worse than me, because they have experienced more things. They know how everything works. They are retired and can no longer steal or obtain what they received, they no longer have privileges because they are no longer members of the armed forces. So now, When they have no benefits, they must live like other Cubans on their feet every day, eating vermin. Just like everyone else. They are already aware of the fact. It's time to wake up. Today, Cuba is already lit by many factors. He is waking up, "Enrique describes the current situation. "It simply came to our notice then. Coming soon. The door is already visible, "he concludes optimistically.

    [1] The yacht Granma was a ship used to transport 82 fighters of the Cuban Revolution from Mexico to Cuba in 1956 in an effort to overthrow the regime of the then Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista.
    [2] The so-called The special period is a long period of economic and social crisis in Cuba, which was the result of the collapse of the USSR in 1991. More at:
    [3] The Rural School [Escuela al Campo] was a program launched in the 1970s in Cuba. His alleged intention was to connect the study with work in the field. More at:
    [4] Castrism - a way of undemocratic rule of the Castro brothers, Fidel and Raúl.
    [5] Red berets are a typical head covering of a Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces soldier.
    [6] The Varela Project is a 1998 bill directed by Cuban political activist Oswald Paya, who pushed for political reforms in Cuba in favor of greater individual freedoms. The name of the project was chosen in honor of Father Félix Varela, a Cuban religious leader from the early 19th century.
    [7] The Patriotic Union of Cuba [Unión Patriótica de Cuba] is one of the largest Cuban dissident organizations.
  28. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    You are just making it up Clive. The spreadsheet shows that the charges and his status are unknown, blanks where there should be info.
    Operations? WTF does that even mean?

    After your fiction writing in this thread I cannot take any serious notice of your other stuff. You embellish, you exaggerate you, distort the truth. At least it is normally well written and funny.
  29. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Anyone fancy a pint?
    sydney_horn likes this.
  30. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    This is just a long version of exactly what I wrote!

    1. Born
    2. Dad's a traitor, goes to prison
    3. Causes trouble at school
    4. Sells illegal pizzas, causes trouble
    5. Caught fackin about near US base, goes to prison
    6. Comes out causes trouble
    7. Violently riots
    8. Gets nicked
    9. Goes to prison.
  31. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    What in columns like 'eye colour' and 'profession'?

    Jesus, well write to them ZZ. Tell 'em you're not happy with their accounting and you've got some far right wing, mouth frothy theories that'll make even their hair curl!

    Start 'em off with that one about the Cuban government substituting doppelgangers for dissidents I should...
  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Oh dear. Inspector Morse is on the case.
    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin likes this.
  33. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015


    Row 279, Column N headed "Estatus Legal" or Legal Status in English (for your benefit)


    Row 279 Column P headed "Posibles Cargos" or Possible Charges in English (for your benefit).​

    Both cells were completely blank. In fact, the vast majority of the cells in those columns are blank. No doubt many of the "disappeared" amongst them. Remember this was the spreadsheet that you provided as credible "proof".

    You are so completely full of BS, Clive.
  34. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    It doesn't need Inspector Morse.
    Even Inspector "Moose" Clouseau could suss out blatant dishonesty.
  35. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Oh dear, Miami Police Chief Art Acevedo is in big trouble after offending the Cuban Mafia by carelessly letting the truth slip out in public. He said:

    It’s like the Cuban mafia runs Miami PD.”

    Although the wormery had no objections to the accusation that they run Miami's Police Department (in the same way they control every other organisation in Miami) and they didn't mind being called 'mafia', since their mafioso activities are well recorded in history.

    What they objected to was the accusation of being particularly "Cuban mafia". After all, they welcome assassins, drug dealers, pimps etc from ALL races, creeds and colours and membership is not restricted to only Cubans (although it does help).

    Fraternal Order of Police President Tommy Reyes complained “He is constantly putting his foot in his mouth. I don’t think it was appropriate, I think it was offensive, if he talked about the Black mafia or the Haitian mafia or the Jewish mafia, I’m sure it would have been a little more offensive to more people."

    So is that clear Chief Acevedo? From now on, you're only allowed to say that Miami's Police Department is run by the mafia. No mention that they also just happen, through coincidence, to be Cuban.

Share This Page