Covid-19 Virus

We already do this. Chain smokers and drinkers pay huge amounts in tax to discourage consumption. Drugs are illegal.
Macron is not suggesting financial penalties or making it illegal to be unvaccinated. He has said no distinction would be made at the healthcare stage.

Only that to encourage the decision that benefits the rest of society laws will be brought in to encourage the right choice.

Almost 50% of the population are obese anyway by the way

 

MAZZ UPDATE:

No fever madness last night, back to WFH with a mild cold/sleepy feeling today.

As previously mentioned, Mrs Mazz had the booster and just had cold symptoms, now she feels really rough as she did not rest properly.

I'm already missing my three days in bed. I had a great time, reading, watching films and having psychotic dreams.

The lesson we are learning here is that you can have all the jabs, but if you are a workaholic, you are buggered.

 

Oh dear. Poor old The Saj. One of them loony anti-vaxxers got face to face with him on a hospital visit today:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1479532922952732672?s=21

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...irus-jabs-by-unvaccinated-nhs-doctor-12511224

I guess one of his underlings will be fired for letting that happen in front of the cameras.

 

"For only 8 weeks would the vaccine significantly reduce my chances of passing on a potentially deadly to them virus to one of my chemo patients. At the expense of me having two nights off kareoke down the king's arms"



Nazis

 

If only he was also smoking a fag and eating his daily fry-up when that clip was taken to add to his credibility.

 

In other news, newly re-radicalised anti-vax grifter Maajid Nawaz has been sacked by LBC.

(and is already pleading poverty and for his followers to subscribe to his substack blog).

 

My word, that ICU Doctor was an absolute loony wasn't he. Full of conspiracy theories. Oh wait, he was just questioning the science behind the effectiveness of the jab and also the logistical challenges.

This is an ICU Doctor, literally on the front line of this entire Pandemic and if we go by certain people's opinions he should be 'punished'.

Bravo to this man.

It's his CHOICE and his RIGHT to make his own decision on vaccination.

 

Unless, arguably, that choice harms others. Which might be the case if his absence through COVID leaves a staffing gap in the hospital, or if being unvaccinated raises the risk of transmission to vulnerable patients.

 

I think what this vaccination roll-out has proved is that it doesn't matter whether you're jabbed or not, you can catch it and spread it! So a bit of a moot point really.

 

Though unless the government changes course by April there will be a permanent gap in staffing he previously occupied. And as a consultant he'll undoubtedly just go full time private instead. The balancing of harms is not easy.

 

What the vaccination roll-out has proved is that we could be in lockdown #9 and have over 400,000 deaths, an NHS at bursting point, no money in the government coffers because of furlough extension. The vaccination is the route back to normality, it is well known that coronaviruses, like the common cold, can be caught multiple times but this particular coronavirus is more deadly.

 

So even if you get jabbed you can't catch it or spread it!? That was my point.

 

Vaccines are not cures.

 

I was under the impression that vaccination reduced risk of transmission but didn’t eliminate it. I did deliberately choose my words carefully.

As for UEA’s point, unless I am missing something - there wouldn’t be a staffing gap if he (and others) agreed to vaccination?

I don’t think the balance of harms and benefits is the same for someone working in the NHS as someone who is not: that was my point.

 

You are much less likely to catch it, get a serious illness or to pass it on. They are not
100% outcomes, but good ones.

 

Dr Quack was committing professional suicide the plonker.

He has every right to question the evidence, he can peer review it, write to the Lancet, the BMJ, the BMA, whoever he chooses to.

What he shouldn’t do is grandstand, trashing the carefully assembled science and policy. He has no right to do this while taking his NHS pay, undermining the vast majority of his colleagues.

And when I mean no right, he really does have no right while being an employee. It’s like a junior officer in the army broadcasting useful info to the enemy.

Who’d have thunk it? He turns out to have a private practice in an alternative medicine modality with no evidence base.

 

What's telling is that his particular area of expertise (regardless of what you think about the science behind it) has nothing to do with immunology, virology, epidemiology or related disciplines.

None of that means he's automatically wrong, of course, but just like I wouldn't go to see him if I had cancer, he wouldn't be my first choice for anything relating to a pandemic or vaccinations either, and the people who DO specialise in those areas overwhelmingly disagree with him.

 

Savid JABit asked the question, you could see the Nurses clearly wanted to say something as they all looked at each other and then the Doctor spoke up.

Professional suicide? Possibly. Is that right though?

 

I don’t know if that’s true. They may have wanted to say that unvaccinated colleagues are a pain in the backside, but didn’t want to take that on.

Mrs Moose, who is frontline in the NHS feels that way. One of her unvaccinated colleagues got very ill and was in ICU for weeks. It was upsetting for her team. He hasn’t yet recovered to return to work. Throughout the NHS, other unvaccinated are off because of the stress their doubts have caused. Other unvaccinated, staff who can work can’t be put with patients in case they also end up getting seriously unwell.

While it’s fine in theory that it’s a personal choice, the employer has a duty of care. A consultant may be able to choose to get ill, but many other unvaccinated staff are going to be unavailable for frontline work, but still paid. The burden falls increasingly on the 80% vaccinated.

We really do seem to be approaching the end, that in future lockdowns won’t be necessary even if some boosters are. It’s the vaccine that has bought us the time for Covid to develop a seemingly milder variant and for treatments to advance. The measures to slow it are reasonable. I find it shocking that a doctor simply doesn’t grasp why he should have tried to prevent himself becoming ill.

 

The Royal London Hospital for Quackery was administering its infinitesimally diluted Snake Oil* to weak-minded fools ON THE NHS right up to 2018.

*I think you have to buy them privately now. Although its illegal for any business to charge for mains supplied water.

 

Think I've stated before that the brother in law works at Watford General. In the department he works there are, (in his words), some very senior scientists that are refusing the vaccination because they don't trust it for whatever reason. Now either they're slightly bonkers or are better informed than the general public. Surely several billion doses given should have given them a clue to the possible dangers of it by now?
Personally I can't see vast numbers of NHS staff being fired when to do so would cause chaos.

 

‘Very senior scientists’ work at Watford General?

Hmmmm. Sounds suspicious. Although I suppose there’s a copious amount of rats to test on down there so it might be true.

 

I vote bonkers.

I have a friend in a similar situation who has a not insignificant percentage of NHS staff that have refused a vaccination. Wanting to get pregnant and worries about how it will affect fertility is one such excuse that has been trotted out. It must be stressed that their area of expertise is far removed from immunology, but these are people that have a high standard of education, knowledge about healthcare but still think they know more than those who have dedicated their lives to be experts in the field and vouch for it. I'm not sure I would want to be cared for by someone who has little regard for the science and hence the safety of the people in their care.

I respect the right for someone to choose not to be vaccinated, but they in turn must respect the right of others not to be put at risk because of that choice. Sorry but in the care services and if fact other key sectors like education where you may be forced to be in the close presence of someone who could be putting you at risk, I agree that it should be mandatory for those that do not have a bona fide medical exemption..

If you chose not to be vaccinated, they you choose not to work in these services. It's not illegal discrimination. In the same way that I choose not to qualify and maintain those qualifications to become a financial adviser and as such am prevented by law from giving professional financial advice and it's not illegal discrimination when smokers prevented by law from smoking inside in a public place.

 

Sounds like rather than causing chaos it might improve the quality of the science.

 

It may biochemists or geneticists/biologists but I really can't see them (with their training) coming out with that cobblers. That leaves the medical physicists who, in my experience, are a really 'odd' bunch. Do they do nuclear medicine at Watford?

 

Would like to say more about the department so you could give us more of an insider's view but probably safer not to in public.

 

I persuaded my vaccine sceptic son to get jabbed by pointing out that he'd almost certainly be injected with all sorts of drugs he didn't like the idea of if he was unlucky enough to find himself in ICU.

 

If the people driving the scepticism have to produce things like this, you have to wonder why they are disseminating what they absolutely know to be lies, and what the motivation is. Scum.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1479974265021554689.html


I saw this poster as I was out for a run today. It didn’t seem to pass my common-sense test. 720 deaths? That doesn’t seem right to me. /1
Because I’m naturally curious, nosy, and procrastinating other less fun things I should be doing today, I wanted to read about the girl on the poster, and what her situation was. /2

I googled her name, nothing came up. Being 14, maybe she didn’t have a social media presence, or her family didn’t publicise her vaccination-related injury. So I did a reverse image search on the picture of the girl, and got a handful of hits. /3

Sites using this exact image, all talking about Rachel Scott. She’s not a random person whose Facebook profile photo has been misused, she was a victim of the Columbine shooting. /4

So, the poster is false, Janie Marie Andrewson doesn’t seem to exist (if she does, this isn’t her), and the image of a girl who died in such a tragic way is being completely, and disrespectfully, misused. /5

I don’t care to say how I feel about the person who created the poster, but the kind, generous part of me hopes that the person putting these posters up in my community did so because they are scared, and maybe weren’t aware of the lies it contains. /6

So the moral of the story is yes, do your own research, and use a bit of common sense too. Oh, and if you see any of these posters chuck ‘em in the bin where they belong. /7
tineye.com/search/477af80…
(Additional link and images included so you can draw your own conclusions too, and/or correct me if necessary. I am not a professional researcher.)

 

Wow, there really are some sad wackos out there spreading their poison.

 

WFC Medical team. Gotcha. Say no more.

 

Probably best not to make a habit of googling 14 year old girls

 

Truly sickening. But as with any conspiracy peddling, we think they are sickos but realistically there’s no doubt a financial reason for doing it. Like Alex Jones and the Loose Change loonies for example.

 

I got a cold a few weeks before Christmas, as peak omicron was striking. Lateral flow and PCR tests confirmed it was not Covid.

I then sat on a table where pretty much everyone got Covid, except me. Wife got the cold, but saw a friend in a coffee shop, who also had Omicron and didn't get it.

My theory was that the cold gave us some protection to Covid. And I have just seen this article today which seems to support my theory: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59911257

 

I'm surprised it's taken this long to test this theory tbh.