Covid-19 Virus

Simon Jordan has had the vaccine though, but has been quite vocal about the fact he didn’t want it but took it because of his elderly father. So you can still be anti-vax and have taken the vaccine, I think if you decide not to take it by definition you’re anti-vax; it’s literally in the name.

 

I know someone who tested positive a few days ago, but thankfully like THE VAST MAJORITY of people who are contracting this illness these days she only has minor symptoms.

 

It’s not a point I’m making, though if you asked me which was causing debilitating ill-health, Covid or the vaccine, it’s Covid every time.

There is nothing to suggest these events are more than correlation and not causation. If any evidence emerges, so be it, but that’s not a reason for airy speculation about the vaccine in the face of strong evidence about its safety. It’s exactly what put people off MMR

 

As I understand it, an anti-vaxer is against all forms of vaccination, not just covid

 

I think the whole worlds had it by now mate

 

Not having the jab because you are personally at low risk from Covid is an incredibly selfish and short sighted position to take.

The more people that contract it. the higher the likelyhood of mutations. There is the possibility that one of these mutations may then increase youngsters risk or develop immunity/reduce effectiveness of vaccines. As I understand it, the vaccinated can still contract Covid, although the symptoms are much reduced, the infection is cleared far quicker and risk of death almost eliminated.

The only sensible course of action is to have everyone that can medically take the vaccine, take it, worldwide, regardless of age and hope that we can kill it off for good.

As an aside I would also charge those that have taken the concious decision not to be vaccinated (without just medical casue), for their care costs should they contract it and require assistance.

 

Would you do the same for drinkers, smokers and the obese?

 

I love it when people 'self identify' as scientists

 

Don't forget people who injure themselves while participating in 'dangerous sports'

 

Yes: actually a better example than mine because it is more clearly a matter of choice.

I have some sympathy with what HM says but it seems to me we can't pick and choose when we are going to 'blame' people for needing medical care. And if we were going to do this, it should have been made clear from the start.

 

Especially those obese people smoking and drinking while indulging in dangerous sports.

Treat them fair I say. He needed a drink and a fag to get the courage up to go potholing. Not his fault he got stuck.

 

There is a big difference though, in that alcoholics/obese people/extreme sports enthusiasts pose no direct threat to the rest of society. If someone wants to eat themselves to death then it’s only them that will suffer, if someone wants to refuse a perfectly safe vaccine based on zero evidence just because they feel like it, they pose a direct threat to everyone else as a result of that choice.

 

This.

Cigarettes, sugary drinks and alcohol are all taxed as a way of persuading people to reduce or eliminate their use.
The risk of issue to others due to passive smoking has been legislated against by banning in enclosed public spaces.
The risk of death to self and others due to drink/drug driving for example is legislated in law.
We need similar action against those that chose to risk themselves and others by not vaccinating as it is only this type of action that has an effect.

I also think that those that participate in extreme/risky sports should really have medical insurance imho.

 

Does someone who criticise the team performance self identify as a Manager?
Have you self identified as a moderator by criticising my post?

Tell me which part of my post is factually incorrect, or better still try contributing to debate rather than throwing insults about.

 

I am with you in part and against the blame game on the whole, but think there is some argument that charging for Covid vaccination refusal is a line that we can and should cross for charging in this case, especially as a tool for potential persuation to get jabbed. I would stop short of enforced vaccination.

At some point we will have to pay off the costs. Why should someone suffer extra taxation or a withdrawal of under strain resources just because another person has made a personal choice to believe social media driven conspiracy theories from anti-vaxers.

 

None of it is 'factually correct'. Every point you make is simply your opinion.

 

and that is simply yours. I'll choose to ignore it unless you can prove me otherwise.

 

To a degree: but those people do stretch the limited resources of the NHS leaving less/fewer available for others. Obesity in particular can have long-term health consequences on which the NHS will end up spending money.

 

Or course, but how much they stretch the NHS is limited to them personally and how bad their own health is. Someone who refuses the vaccine may individually put strain on the NHS, plus indirect strain through the additional people that get ill because not enough people are vaccinated, plus mutations etc, so the impact on the NHS is not necessarily just limited to themselves.

 

Mmm, I'm not sure the distinction is that clear cut: If the NHS has to pay out on treatments for diabetes caused by my obesity, it may no longer have the funds to treat someone else's different condition, or that person may end up on a waiting list etc. So the impact is not limited to me, is it?

 

Why have we just ordered 114m more of the current Pfizer and Moderna vaccines when even the Moderna chief has recently come out and said they're not likely to offer much protection against the likes of the Omicron variant?

 

Gonna flog a job lot on eBay.

 

Ordered doesn’t mean made yet. It can be tweaked.

 

So I’m sitting at Heathrow T3. Should I get on this ruddy flight to Kenya or not Boris ?

 

At least you're considerate to your Mum....

 

Has this **** left yet?

 

Why worry what Boris says today. He'll probably say the opposite tomorrow anyway.

 

20 mins…

 

No, you've lost me with that one...

 

This is exactly what's going on.

Eriksen and Wyke weren't even jabbed. Aguero apparently had heart issues since his mid-late teens including a heart surgery, but I can't find an original source for that so I take that with a pinch of salt for now.

Meanwhile, Cheick Tiote, Fabrice Muamba, Marc Vivien Foe , Naoki Matsuda, Piermario Morosini, Tim Nicot, Miklos Feher, Davide Astori , Gregory Mertens, Maurizio Greco, Lokissimbaye Loko, Cristian Gomez, Patrick Ekeng, Luc Jacobs, Agustin Martínez, and many more....all suffered various heart issues while playing games, and none of them were jabbed because it happened before Covid.

Asking if there's a link between vaccinations/Covid and a footballer's heart issues is a valid question. It is NOT a valid statement or implication, however, and that's the line most outlets that are reporting on the issue are taking. It's highly irresponsible.

 

Came across the sad sight of two blokes I’d say were in their 70s having a verbal altercation over masks in a sparsely populated Lidl earlier this evening. One wearing a mask, one not. It was clear who the aggressor was. After a while where it obviously wasn’t going to stop, and only because I had no choice but to walk through them with the kids in tow to get to the baked beans, I thought as a fellow mask wearer it was best if I set an example and join on the side of righteousness.

Poor old Mr Mask Wearer really didn’t like being called a hectoring bully who should just leave people alone to make their own choices. Funny that.