Core For Next Season

Have you actually seen him walk?

 

There are enough idiots in the Premier League that makes £35m a possibility

 

It didn't last summer and not sure why his value will have gone up given his impact and one year less on his contract. Hope you're right but I'd be amazed.

 

It's unlikely but you never know. Some idiots agreed to pay £15m for Keinan Davis

 

Yes but only effectively as a promotion bonus - no suggestion that the player was worth that price. They could have equally said £10m promotion bonus and £5m for Davis.

 

Got a horrible feeling we'll have dropped at least a couple of million on him just for the loan.

 

Interestingly, statistically he is the best - there's 87 CMs in the league that have played >900 mins. Hamza has the most (possession adjusted) tackles + interceptions combined p90 out of those players.

The top 10:

1) Choudhury - 5.98 (tackles + interceptions p90)
2) Jack Corn (Burnley) - 5.90
3) Joe Allen - Swansea - 5.28
4) Ben Sheaf - Coventry - 4.98
5) Lewis Travis - Blackburn - 4.95
6) Daniel Neil - Sunderland - 4.91
7) Josh Cullen - Burnley - 4.84
8) Gardner-Hickman - West Brom - 4.82
9) Edouard Michut - Sunderland - 4.63
10) Kenny McLean - Norwich = 4.62

 

Reminds me of the song from Oliver:

Oh, facts,
Wonderful facts,
Marvellous facts,
Glorous facts.

source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/soundtracks/o/oliverlyrics/foodgloriousfoodlyrics.html

 

I said I wasn't sure!!!!

 

Haha I know, wasn't a dig! Was a surprise to me as well!

 

Not surprised. He is a great ball-winner. He just needs the quality alongside him to lay the ball off to. The minute he tries to do anything creative or progressive himself, it all falls apart. It's not his job.

 

I keep flip-flopping between thinking that his defensive output is so strong that it makes up for his on the ball weaknesses and that a quality progressor next to him will be enough to thinking that his on the ball ability is so poor that it will probably be more beneficial to be worth sacrificing some of that output to get someone more balanced. I think next season we'll probably want to dominate and control games a bit more, so someone better on the ball is probably the smarter option.

 

Yes understand your view. Personally I’d like a mix in MF with ball winner and flair players. Very few players can do everything very well and if they can they won’t be with us for long. I’ve always got time for a Joslyn/Train/Taylor/Behrami shielding the defence alongside a couple of more creative players.

 

Loved Behrami, a much, much better version of Choudhury. His performance man marking Neymar in the World Cup was a masterclass, took every bit as much footballing intelligence as being a creative player (as well as incredible concentration).

 

Forgot about Behrami... A reminder of how much we've dropped, from when we had quality, committed players like that.

 

I think Cassetti was better than Choudhrey, as was Guuidera.

 

I just want to start a reasonable thread - some may disagree, I may get some things wrong - but ultimately I don't know a single fan who doesn't think this is necessary. So I ma going to start this and wee where it goes ..... Clearing the decks would ideally start with Gino selling up, but that isn't going to happen, I fail to see how his actions are in the best interest of the football team but for now we are stuck with him and Duxbury so I will leave them out of this conversation in terms of ownership - but not in involvement in the football team.

Director of Football and team ..... Manga and Costa and co. - In my opinion we leave them be, they haven't been here long and Gino and Dux should give them total control of all footballing decisions, be that players in and out, scouting, Head Coach choice, Medical team, sports scientists, fitness team , etc. Give them a budget and total responsibility for using it.

Head Coach - Currently Wilder - I have no issue in retaining him if he is a Manga man. If Manga want to appoint someone else then so be it. I will back it...... But lets be clear the new Head Coach needs to be supported and player bought that he agrees to and wants for his system and style of play. The head coach must be given 2 seasons - unless we are relegated to league 1, plain and simple, pick a coach and back him and his style of football

Medical team, Sports scientist, fitness team - this area of the club needs a complete overhaul of personnel - imo, we have not been fit enough as a team since the Pozzo reign began - Manga and co need to completely change this as whatever we have now, I don't believe works.

Culture, Set by Manga.... we need a complete mentality change throughout the club - one that the players, Coaches and fans can buy into - we need a winners mentality more than technical excellence in the Championship - Gino needs to accept this - you wont make money off of buying players who cant get you promoted out of the Championship

Players - I'll keep this simple and just give my opinion of who we need to keep and who we need to sell / send back .... not all of the players I say sell too are because I don't want them at the club - some (well 1 in particular) is because we need to sell them to refund the rebuild - but again, this should be totally Manga and the Head coaches decision.

1 GK Daniel Bachmann - SELL
2 DF Jeremy Ngakia - KEEP
3 DF Mario Gaspar - SELL / RELEASE
4 MF Hamza Choudhury - SEND BACK
6 MF Imran Louza - KEEP
7 FW Keinan Davis - SEND BACK
8 MF Tom Cleverley - SELL / RELEASE
10 FW João Pedro - SELL
11 MF Ismaël Koné - KEEP
12 MF Ken Sema - KEEP
13 DF João Ferreira - KEEP
14 DF Hassane Kamara - SEND BACK TO UDINESE
15 DF Craig Cathcart - SELL / RELEASE
18 MF Yáser Asprilla - KEEP
21 FW Henrique Araújo - SEND BACK
22 DF Ryan Porteous - KEEP (Make Captain imo)
23 FW Isma*la Sarr - SELL
24 MF Tom Dele-Bashiru - SELL / RELEASE
25 MF Leandro Bacuna - SELL / RELEASE
26 GK Ben Hamer - KEEP
27 DF Christian Kabasele - SELL / RELEASE
28 FW Samuel Kalu - SELL / RELEASE
30 DF Kortney Hause - SEND BACK
31 DF Francisco Sierralta - SELL
34 MF Britt Assombalonga - SELL / RELEASE
35 GK Maduka Okoye - SELL
37 FW Matheus Martins - SEND BACK
39 MF Edo Kayembe - SELL / RELEASE
42 DF James Morris - SELL / RELEASE
44 DF Wesley Hoedt - KEEP

.... I would also release or sell all those out on loan so Joseph Hungbo, WTE, Ashley Fletcher, Domingos Quina, Ignaccio Pussetto, Kwadwo Baah, Mattie Pollock and Vakoun Bayo.

That would leave us with 9 players out of the squad - No easy task to rebuild its a lot out the the door but we need a massive shake up and that will do it. We need hungry players with a point to prove, players who want to wear the shirt and give 100% each match, blood, sweat and tears, players that the Head Coach wants, that fit a system and a style of play that we want to adopt as a club.

I ma sure much more needs changing and I could of gone into more detail - but its a start

 

Too many words, man

 

From what I understand, we’d need 15 new players in the summer just to match the current squad size.

I assume the rest of the post is instructions on how to build a Time Machine to go back to 2012 so we’re able to do it on the shoestringiest of shoestring budgets again.

 

I think we would only need to go back to 2019 and tell Gino not to be a complete d1ck.

 

Ben Manga is not THAT influential.

 

Good luck finding anyone who wants Kabasele

 

You mean an Elton/Manga combo aren't about to fire us back to the Premier League?

 

Agree with most of those but I’d keep Morris, even if it’s as a backup. I’d also keep Martins as I think he will be good once he gets up to speed with the Championship (although no point in having wingers if we are playing 3-5-2). I also think we need to keep Blake who is a good prospect. Not sure about Kayembe who looked good at times

 

You already lost me there.

 

Wilder has to be first out of the door, preferably tomorrow. He advocates boring, unattractive, defensive football and is totally useless as Middlesbrough fans will testify. If we really wanted to change direction and take risks I would appoint Deeney as manager with a older more experienced assistant manager ?Martin O'Neil.

The only players I would keep other than the youngsters like Blake, Adeyemo etc would be

Bachmann he is a good Champiknship level keeper
Ngakia
Louza although I think he will want to go
Pedro but again he will want to go
Kone
Sema
Cathcart one of the few that tries and due to his defensive versatility
Asprilla
Porteous I agree make him captain
Sierralta
Hamer or Okoye
Morris
Hoedt
Hungbo
Gosling assuming he recovers from his injury

 

This thread is also just a rehash of this one:

https://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/core-for-next-season.60073/page-4#post-3227047

 

Sorry Skyla but Sema is a horrific footballer. Bin him and play the kids, can only improve the team.

 

Martin O'Neil????!!!!!

 

Younger than two of our managers last season!