Cleverley Out?

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by SkylaRose, Oct 19, 2024.

  1. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    That’s handy, as Gino will also be blaming him.
     
  2. Vic

    Vic First Year Pro

    A reactionary regret about a reactionary thread created a few hours after Luton. I expect better from the forum mother! Perhaps merge it with the other Cleverley thread? Then start a new one on Friday night when we finally lose at home.
     
  3. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well that is true but the players probably still like him for now so won’t throw a strop .
     
  4. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Interesting idea. Let's see what happens Friday...
     
  5. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Even Tom is banned for the Plymouth game apparently.

    Surprised Robbo didn’t whack the ref tbh .
     
  6. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Needs to go etc
     
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  7. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    International break now … could be time for Gino to pull the the trigger, save our season and hopefully pull ourselves back down to mid table safety .
     
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  8. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    We were trying our best at the end of last Fridays game to get to mid table, had we lost we would now be 11th!
     
  9. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Only need to lose every game between now and the end of season to all but guarantee relegation .

    Come on you ‘Orns
     
  10. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Our real position, in the xG table, is unacceptable. He’s had his chance.
     
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  11. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    Not sure where you got that data from, but the BBC stats differ slightly - possession is the same but we had slightly more shots, both overall (16-14) and on target (8-6). I suppose shots on target can be a bit subjective in that there's a fine dividing line between what's a clear-cut chance and what's a routine save from the keeper coming off his line. Still definitely not a four-goal win on the balance of play, like you said.

    It's interesting that a lot of our more unexpected results and performances have come when Bayo has scored:
    Stoke 0-4 Watford
    Watford 4-0 QPR
    Preston 1-5 Watford
    Watford 2-2 Leeds
    Sheff Wed 2-6 Watford

    That suggests that if we get a decent striker that alone could really galvanize the team and it could go places.
     
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  12. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! First Team

    Where are you getting those stats from? From what I’ve seen, Bayo alone had an xG of 2.48 against Wednesday, and Ince had another penalty
     
  13. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    TUT doesn’t really understand xG. ;)
     
  14. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I got it from this website here. The xG does look odd - maybe a typo as all the other data looks about right ? Maybe they exclude pens and just use open play xG ? Anyway, it's got to be right, it's on the internet, no ?
    https://footystats.org/england/watford-fc-vs-sheffield-wednesday-fc-h2h-stats#
     
  15. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    :rolleyes:
     
  16. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I don't
     
  17. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck Reservist

    So if your striker scores then you have a better chance of winning ?
    and the more regularly he scores the more games you can win ?
    Who knew ?
     
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  18. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! First Team

    Or maybe that you have to be really **** to concede to Bayo?;)
     
  19. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I mean it's more than that, he's a really likeable guy and I think on the rare occasions he scores that lifts his teammates who want him to do better and inspires them to a really positive result. But alas, because he scores so rarely, results like the above are rare and hence why we have been mostly midtable since relegation from the Prem and probably will end up that way if we don't get someone better in his position.

    So I think even a 10-15 goal striker with his personality could really make a difference - of course I'd settle for someone with the personality of Gray or Davis if he could get us 20-25 goals...
     
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  20. Wombleizer

    Wombleizer Academy Graduate

    Reactionary: adjective - opposing political or social progress or reform.o_O
     
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  21. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Can also be a noun?
     
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  22. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    Nor do I, is this a modern thing like transistor radios?
     
  23. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    They call it 'wireless'.
     
  24. Johnny Todd Sings

    Johnny Todd Sings First Year Pro

    Nothing wrong with a crystal set.
     
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  25. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    I’ve never felt the need to replace the two tin cans tied with string set I had since I was 7
     
  26. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    Now I'm sure that I used to listen to the wireless long before the days of the transistor radio.
     
  27. Vic

    Vic First Year Pro

    I’m happy with my use of the word in relation to the thread being created. Adjective or noun, take your pick, the reactionary mindset is that of someone who wants the old order, not progress. Clevs, in this case, represents progress. Gino’s sacking culture is regressive. innit though. But, even though the word has taken on a wider meaning over time, maybe I should have said ‘reactive’ rather than ‘reactionary regret’. So I kinda get your point. Happy to be corrected. But I think I need @Keighley to cast judgment.
     
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  28. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    “…should of…”
     
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  29. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Well argued, seems OK to me although “reactive “ would indeed be better placed before “regret”.

    Has this **** been sacked yet?
     
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